UAL MEC standing tough for tighter Scope---listen up United Express people...

[Skaff]

I didn't read the whole thread, but my guess is that if United mainline pilots demand RJ flying, and they get rights to RJ flying, things won't change much, except fee for departure. Skywest is already code sharing with Air Tran, flying as Skywest Airlines. My guess is that United will never see RJ's, but if they negotiated away other things to get RJ rights, airlines like Skywest will continue to do the flying under their own brand through code shares. There is no scope for stuff like that, that's a management decision.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

That's just it, it isn't their flying. Management figures out what segment and what equipment would be the best choice. Not the pilot groups.

Wrong!

Can't blame the UAL pilot group for going after anything and everything. Everybody knows that mainline pilots could never fly an RJ and make a profit, the union knows and so does management. Many of the routes can't support a typical narrow body aircraft. Even if the mainline pilots said they would do it for free, management wouldn't do it. They don't want all of their eggs in one basket and the next contract they'd get raped.

rj's just can't make a profit. Ask any Independence Air employee.

So why all the retoric about taking back the regional flying. It helps build negotiating capital. If the mainline pilots want it then management has to by it back from them by higher rates and work rules.

This isn't really that hard to figure out.........

It is the way you spell it out.

 

[johnpeace]

rj's just can't make a profit. Ask any Independence Air employee.

Don't stop there...ask Jerry Atkins.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Don't stop there...ask Jerry Atkins.

He's done quite nicely on FFD.

Ask any Midway pilot while you're at it.

 

[doh]

Here's a question. When the flying is all back in house, will it include turboprop? If not, would there be 70 seat turboprop creep?

 

[the palm]

Here's a question. When the flying is all back in house, will it include turboprop? If not, would there be 70 seat turboprop creep?

Here's a question. When all your flying are belong to us will you still have a job?

 

[doh]

Here's a question. When all your flying are belong to us will you still have a job?

I fly for a fractional. Our people aren't going back, they have tasted freedom! So my question remains.

 

[pilotkppsg]

Also posted on the majors forum thread of this.

I've been sitting on the sidelines for this so far, but i'm gonna chime in now that i've seen alot of mainline guys who've come from us lowly regional jet operators clearly forgetting where they came from. YOU GUYS GAVE US THESE JETS. We didn't undercut any of you to get them. We were on your list via the flow through.

Since I work for Express Jet, plz allow me to speak as an Express Jet pilot. CAL wholly-owned us, everything from seniority numbers, CCS access, coair, uniforms, training etc was done to their standards and, with few exceptions, their employees. The IAH chief pilot for us was a bloody CAL flow up with recall rights till 2k8.

There was a flow-up/flow-down agreement in place that worked until you guys pussied up and wouldn't renew it after we voted in alpa over that faggot ass IACP scab factory of a union and got a contract better, much better, than yours (see Contract 04 work rules). A second year FO at XJT made more per hr than a first yr CAL FO on the 757. You guys spun us off to pay for your bankruptcy, then your executives have driven us almost into the dirt. Be it Mr Peanut Head Kellner or that blue blood prick from the Ivy Leagues, Smisek. We didn't do a thing to ya'll but provide extremely good feed for your hubs. Then you had to bring in chataqua and then give Colgan 80000 seat turboprops....

Anyway, if you want the flying we do back, fine, take it with my blessing, but don't sit their on your Righteous Boeing Cloud and reign down judgements on us, more than 40 percent of the Cal list came from Express. We wanted to be one list but you guys thought you were too good to fly something made in Brazil. That's fine too, but don't act like the reason you're still operating under concessionary contracts since 02 is because of us. If you need a person to blame, you need only look in a mirror...or at your MEC.

As for United being the pinnacle of experience and professionalism...ok, how many 300 hr chicks and minorities did ya'll hire in the 97-2000 era? Yeah, let's not forget about them or the SIU interns, etc who didn't even have an ATP you picked up. Admittedly they are likely furloughed now, but that notwithstanding, your poo doesn't exactly smell like roses, bro.

 

[doh]

I have an answer. They are taking everything with 50+ seats. Get your logbooks in order, polish your interview skills. The 65 year olds start heading out the door soon and there will be plenty of good seats available!

 

[COEX-FO]

Also posted on the majors forum thread of this.

I've been sitting on the sidelines for this so far, but i'm gonna chime in now that i've seen alot of mainline guys who've come from us lowly regional jet operators clearly forgetting where they came from. YOU GUYS GAVE US THESE JETS. We didn't undercut any of you to get them. We were on your list via the flow through.

Since I work for Express Jet, plz allow me to speak as an Express Jet pilot. CAL wholly-owned us, everything from seniority numbers, CCS access, coair, uniforms, training etc was done to their standards and, with few exceptions, their employees. The IAH chief pilot for us was a bloody CAL flow up with recall rights till 2k8.

There was a flow-up/flow-down agreement in place that worked until you guys pussied up and wouldn't renew it after we voted in alpa over that faggot ass IACP scab factory of a union and got a contract better, much better, than yours (see Contract 04 work rules). A second year FO at XJT made more per hr than a first yr CAL FO on the 757. You guys spun us off to pay for your bankruptcy, then your executives have driven us almost into the dirt. Be it Mr Peanut Head Kellner or that blue blood prick from the Ivy Leagues, Smisek. We didn't do a thing to ya'll but provide extremely good feed for your hubs. Then you had to bring in chataqua and then give Colgan 80000 seat turboprops....

Anyway, if you want the flying we do back, fine, take it with my blessing, but don't sit their on your Righteous Boeing Cloud and reign down judgements on us, more than 40 percent of the Cal list came from Express. We wanted to be one list but you guys thought you were too good to fly something made in Brazil. That's fine too, but don't act like the reason you're still operating under concessionary contracts since 02 is because of us. If you need a person to blame, you need only look in a mirror...or at your MEC.

As for United being the pinnacle of experience and professionalism...ok, how many 300 hr chicks and minorities did ya'll hire in the 97-2000 era? Yeah, let's not forget about them or the SIU interns, etc who didn't even have an ATP you picked up. Admittedly they are likely furloughed now, but that notwithstanding, your poo doesn't exactly smell like roses, bro.

Who ever wrote this............YEAH!!!

 

[buscap]

Delta sucks!!

 

[relief tube]

I hope they tighten scope.. It's better for the profession. The only guys who will vigorously oppose is RJ lifers.

absolute truth above

 

[buscap]

absolute truth above

Well the world needs ditch diggers too!!!!

I'm starting to feel like an illegal Mexican. You want me here to do the work you don't want to do, but you don't want me demanding to be treated fairly.

And when I finally work hard enough to drive a nicer landscaping truck, you get jealous about the nice lowrider rims I put on it and you demand I give the truck to you. You won't even let me come over and drive it, because your Navy buddy might want too!!

And by the way, you gave me that truck! Yeah, I know some of the larger trucks were given to me by the bankruptcy court, but you started it by giving me that first shiny one.

Viva La'Regional pilots!!!

We shall overcome!!!

 

[79%N1]

Absolute truth above.

 

[727gm]

Give a mainline crew an express schedule for a month and see what they have to say about us then.

They will first say "these guys must've been crazy!" They will then take that schedule and cut the number of trips down to something civilized, to accomplish the same passenger flow, as their aircraft carry three times as many passengers, in greater comfort, (with rear fuselage emergency exits).

 

[AWACoff]

They will first say "these guys must've been crazy!" They will then take that schedule and cut the number of trips down to something civilized, to accomplish the same passenger flow, as their aircraft carry three times as many passengers, in greater comfort, (with rear fuselage emergency exits).

Actually, most will say, "what, only 6 legs a day?!" since many of us routinely flew 10+ legs a day back at our commuters. Try flying around in the weather for that many legs a day without an autopilot.

Some of us at the Majors fly scheduled 6 leg days with 15:40 duty time. Some of us even do that all night long unscheduled if a downline aircraft breaks. Try continuous circadian rhythm flips for a month and report back to me about how "tough" regional flying is. ExJ-41, you ain't gonna make it in this industry if you think you are working hard now...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Actually, most will say, "what, only 6 legs a day?!" since many of us routinely flew 10+ legs a day back at our commuters. Try flying around in the weather for that many legs a day without an autopilot.

Some of us at the Majors fly scheduled 6 leg days with 15:40 duty time. Some of us even do that all night long unscheduled if a downline aircraft breaks. Try continuous circadian rhythm flips for a month and report back to me about how "tough" regional flying is. ExJ-41, you ain't gonna make it in this industry if you think you are working hard now...

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt!

 

[jacksjj]

I'm sure some guy at Republic sits there at altitude and thinks, the 717 pilot who used to fly this route got paid 3 times as much. Why am I not worth that?

I am that guy. Get me out of here - yesterday.

We don't want your jobs fellas, we want to work with you. Take it back. Please.

 

[Regul8r]

when booking an unwitting passenger on a United Express flight, is misleading the very loyal and trusting customers who expect to be flown to their destinations by an industry-leading professional crew flown by United pilots on a United mainline aircraft.

Geeez...she's just opening herself up to be a target:erm:

 

[Regul8r]

Actually, most will say, "what, only 6 legs a day?!" since many of us routinely flew 10+ legs a day back at our commuters. Try flying around in the weather for that many legs a day without an autopilot.

Some of us at the Majors fly scheduled 6 leg days with 15:40 duty time. Some of us even do that all night long unscheduled if a downline aircraft breaks. Try continuous circadian rhythm flips for a month and report back to me about how "tough" regional flying is. ExJ-41, you ain't gonna make it in this industry if you think you are working hard now...

Yeah, because it's only been done by thousands of pilots before

If flying is too tough for you, maybe you need to take up a desk job