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14.7% paycut
Contract through 12/31/09
A Plan gone.

Have a nice day :)

Associated Press
United Pilots Endorse Tentative Agreement
Thursday December 16, 10:48 pm ET

Leaders of United's Pilots Union Recommends Tentative Agreement, Sends It to Members for Vote

CHICAGO (AP) -- Leaders of United Airlines' pilots union endorsed a tentative contract agreement Thursday and sent it to the membership for a ratification vote, saying there was a risk the bankruptcy court would have imposed an unacceptable alternative.

The decision by the Air Line Pilots Association's United branch moves the carrier a step closer to a consensus pact with a key union on new labor contracts that would sharply reduce wages and benefits again for its work force.

Details were not disclosed by either the union's leadership or the company, which has said any revised contract with pilots must provide $191 million in annual savings. The company last month gave the union a series of options on how to achieve that target -- from a straight 18 percent pay cut to smaller cuts and changes in work rules.

"We were faced with a tough choice: negotiate with the company to reach a consensual agreement that would inevitably involve further concessions, or proceed in the bankruptcy court where we faced a dangerous risk of an imposed, and totally unacceptable, outcome," Mark Bathhurst, chairman of the pilots union's master executive council, said in a statement.

The tentative agreement announced Tuesday makes the pilots union the first of United's four big unions to come to initial terms. All four have criticized the bankrupt airline's latest proposed steep cutbacks.

The deal must now be ratified by rank-and-file pilots. No date has been set for a ratification vote.

The nation's No. 2 airline, a unit of Elk Grove Village, Ill.-based UAL Corp., has said it needs to impose an additional $725 million in annual labor cuts after already extracting $2.5 billion a year in concessions last year. The company has been in bankruptcy for two years.
 
Well, they could defray that 14.9% by getting out of ALPA. That would put an extra 1.9% in their pockets... Besides, it looks like they are a non-union carrier anyway. :rolleyes: TC
 
It is only a matter of time (if UAL and USAir remain in business) before the pilots at both USAir and UAL agree to work for free. Seriously, at what point is the job no longer worth it? Even with these concessions, it will only be a matter of time before managment comes back for more. All I can say is that the whole thing is disgusting and I would hope that at some point in time the pilots (as well as the other labor groups) say "enough is enough"! Obviously, they have yet to reach that point.
 
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WyoHerkdriver said:
All I can say is that the whole thing is disgusting and I would hope that at some point in time the pilots (as well as the other labor groups) say "enough is enough"! Obviously, they have yet to reach that point.
It's probably going to be a long time before pilots reach that point. Even with all these cuts, your average UAL pilot can still bring in close to 100K a year. Now, if UAL pilots say "enough is enough" and UAL goes CH7, what will the average UAL pilot make?

A) He can start at the bottom of another airline and make 40K (if he's lucky) and still get crappy benefits.

OR

B) He can take a desk job (be miserable) and make 50K and still get crappy benefits.

Which would you pick? Airline management already knows which is why they can get these cuts.
 
I see a bright future in airline management for you with that kind of thinking! I am not even going to attempt to ridicule your posting as it is clear that you do not see the "big picture" in all of this.
 
Does anyone know approximately the percentage that pay has gone down at UAL since 9/11? It seems like they've had several pay cuts before this one.

I wish everyone at UAL the best of luck. Tough times, indeed.
 
The big picture is that a major correction is going on in pilot salaries in order for the established industry to change its method of operation to meet the new competition for its business.
 
Well the UAL employees have certainly seen better times. Not sure what the solution is as each of us needs to examine where their career is headed in light of these draconian contract changes. The trickle down effect of this type of economic disaster is sure to effect all of us over a period of time. Even if USAir and UAL went Chapt. 7 and ceased to exist it would still dilute the pilot compensation issue greatly whether you are a airline guy/gal or a corporate pilot. Most HR departments have compensation specialists that if they are worth anything, know what the industry will bear regarding pilot compensation. So with that said I would expect to see more downward pressure on the corporate side of the house over the next few years. Not saying that they will come back and reduce existing wages, but any significant increases will be far and few between. My focus is specifically on the career corporate jobs. Can't begin to say where the entry level jobs might wind up as they are already so far below a decent wage considering the time, talent and efforts that the individuals have spent getting just to the starting line, much less to that particular job of their dreams.


I also think that the ALPA shares a significant part of the blame for how this hand has been played out. No question that inept management along with oil prices and terrorist tactics have brought together the perfect storm for many of the airlines. ALPA on the other hand has not IMHO been proactive enough in recognizing the seriousness of the situation and making the difficult decisions before they arose to the full blown crisis that they see in front of them today. Not saying that I could have done it any better, or certainly any smarter but when and if these airlines are able to get back on their feet again and contract time comes around, those who have been given the awsome responisbility for the working agreements should take a moment to look at how they got in this situation the first place. Full pay until the last day is nothing more then blowing smoke up your a#@! No pay is what will really get your attention.

Hopefully this is the end of the give backs for UAL. The rest of the industry should be looking over there shoulder wondering when the next regression will take place at their individual airlines. Even SWA and JetBlue are exposed to this type of economic distaster given enough time.
 
Publishers said:
The big picture is that a major correction is going on in pilot salaries in order for the established industry to change its method of operation to meet the new competition for its business.
And to hell with all the 20 plus years of employee longevity to compete with them right?
 
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Unfortunetly your statement is absolutely on target. If I were a UAL guy with some significant B767/777/747 command time I would be beating down the doors of the expat operations especially in Asia. You need to be under 57 for most positions and yes it will never be like the good times at UAL, but you will have respect and good equipment while you finish off your career, albeit, not the way you thought it would end. It could be worse.
 

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