UAL MEC (daddy) has to warn pilots (children) to stop denying j.s. to jetblue pilots

[BigMotorToter]

To all UAL ALPA pilots.

Today I received the fourth denial of a JBLU pilot on the UAL jumpseat in just over two months. In each case the Captain has decided that JBLU is harming his/her career and have told the JBLU pilots they could not ride.

While I am not questioning Captains authority I am questioning the politics involved in denying a commuting pilot a jumpseat. Many of the Captains involved are JFK based and are at the forefront of the battle for turf.

I ask all that commute, especially on JBLU to remind those that want to deny jumpseats for political reasons the problems this will cause for all of us. JBLU has one of the most liberal policies for jumpseats, they will take multiple jumpseaters, flight attendants and allow UAL pilots to sit in a F/A jumpseat to get on a flight. Many of our Florida commuters rely on the good graces of the JBLU crews, and a small group of UAL Captains is going to ruin this in the very near future if we can not have a truly reciprocal agreement.

Like everyone I would like to find someone or something to blame for the problems at UAL. However, in my opinion our problems can be traced more to our corporate headquarters than to another carrier. As the jumpseat coordinator for UAL I have received only one denial of a UAL pilot on an offline carrier in over two years. In the past year I have had at least one to two denials by UAL Captains for of offline pilots each month. As professional pilots we often complain that we are not compensated as a professional. However, when we allow personal opinions and ideas to influence who is allowed to jumpseat on our airplanes we are not meeting the mark of the professional that we want to be compensated as.




Thanks for listening.

Jim Frank
UAL MEC JSCC

 

[typhoonpilot]

It never ceases to amaze. There must be a culture of this type of stupidity at UAL. They were doing the same thing to USAirways pilots during the proposed merger. I know because I was denied a jumpseat just for being a USAirways pilot. I would never deny somebody a jumpseat for political or personal reasons like they do. I would give them a very hard time about their denials though. Every pilot at every carrier needs to start questioning United pilots who want a jumpseat. Give them a grilling to get their act together and start policing their own pilots. Make them sweat and maybe they will change their ways.


Typhoonpilot

 

[MD80DRVR]

Any Captain who denies someone the J/S for political/personal reasons is a child who doesn't belong in the Left seat. Grow up!

 

[IB6 UB9]

How many of you fellow JB's have had a problem on NWA? I am yet to be denied, just made to squirm a little about 30% of the time. Never had a problem on any other carrier...just NWA.

 

[dbrownie]

How many of you fellow JB's have had a problem on NWA? I am yet to be denied, just made to squirm a little about 30% of the time. Never had a problem on any other carrier...just NWA.

I am sorry to hear that. We have some jackasses at NWA (looks
like United does too!) Most of us, about 80%, commute
and appreciate a ride. Sadly this stuff happens.
I can honestly say it must be "bad luck" that
you got to meet some of our worst.

Dave B

 

[LJDRVR]

Truly sad. Maybe someone could design a website that would contain pictures and names of these children, so that their peers could give them the intellectual equivalent of a blanket party. WWW.BIGFATLOSER.ORG?

For some guy to just sit there taking no action while his "leadership" destroys his pension, racks up 50 billion dollars in debt, only to get up off his duff only to take it out on a fellow Aviator trying to get to work, is just disgusting. If you've lost touch with reality and reason that badly, it's time to turn in your certificate.

By the way Jim, thanks for tossing this out there. All joking and bulletin board rantings aside, what will help mitigate this issue is pilot awareness of the problem. Good on you for bringing it up.

 

[crashpad]

Fellow pilots, do you tip the van driver to the hotel? How much? One big whole dollar, right? Would you tip the the flight crew and gate agents as a whole one dollar if it showed your appreciation for the ride?
Sure you would, Diamond Jim! So the next time you're in Walmart picking out Scooby-Doo embosed underwear, don't forget to pick up a bag of Garadellis' or Tobblers.
Start with the gate agent and work your way to the F/As' (forget the pilots, they need to diet anyway). Not only will a single piece of chocolate make them feel a little special, it'll reflect well on your company and all professional pilots.
Did I mention I ride 1st class almost all the time. Thank you United, you guys put the elegance back in flying!

 

[Boeingman]

One would assume these particular United pilots have a little more to worry about than playing games with the jumpseat. Maybe the survival of their airline for starters?

I am sure it is a very small number that casts a blackeye on the entire UAL pilot group. Pathetic and disgusting.

 

[Ty Webb]

I posted a similar thing last year about NWA pilots denying AirTran pilots the jumpseat. By coincidence, one of our denied pilots found himself with a three hour "Sit" at MEM and went to talk to the MEM CP about it. Even had a copy of the dispatch release from the day it happened (the gate agent was so disgusted that he gave him a copy of it).

I haven't heard of it happening since.

 

[Hoot R. Hunter]

Welcome to the CRAAPA wimp-line for Thursday, 17 Mar. It has come to our attention that there are some jumpseat skirmishes occuring out there between some of them LCC types and us good ol' boy legacies. Let me be perfectly clear on ASSociation policy so this unseemly situation never takes place here at our beloved company. Whenever you are deadheading with a confirmed seat in the back, please take the jumpseat instead. By doing this, you will instead screw one of your fellow company pilots trying to get to or from work and relieve the captain from having to deal with an off-line pilot. There are some additional benefits to this as well. First, you are helping save the company by allowing a revenue passenger who paid a good 15 or 20 bucks for the seat to make the flight. Second, you won't have to exchange pleasantries with the deadheading FA's who are comfortably settling into their First Class seats while you make your way back to your middle seat in Coach.

As a reminder, your ASSociation headquarters will close in fifteen minutes. I'm changing my name to Hoot R. O'Hunter for the rest of the day. Me and my peeps are headin' down to Craven O'Morehead's Pub for an off-site meeting, if ya catch my drift. With dues money in hand, the drinks are on you and we thank you.

That's all for today, please stop calling.

 

[TAZ MAN]

I posted a similar thing last year about NWA pilots denying AirTran pilots the jumpseat. By coincidence, one of our denied pilots found himself with a three hour "Sit" at MEM and went to talk to the MEM CP about it. Even had a copy of the dispatch release from the day it happened (the gate agent was so disgusted that he gave him a copy of it).

I haven't heard of it happening since.

He probably got escorted out of the offices.

Major balls to go to another airlines chief to whine about something like this.

There is appropriate ways to approach this. Like go to your chief pilot first.

 

[Boeingman]

He probably got escorted out of the offices.

Major balls to go to another airlines chief to whine about something like this.

There is appropriate ways to approach this. Like go to your chief pilot first.

Actually, management should be kept out of it. The complaints should originate through respective jumpseat committees.

 

[TAZ MAN]

Actually, management should be kept out of it. The complaints should originate through respective jumpseat committees.

Your absolutely right.

Although unclear, I actually had intended my suggestion to be equally as rediculus.

 

[Mugs]

The names of the Captains responsible will get out and the many UAL pilots that live in South Florida will organize a parking lot committee if these boneheads don't cut the crap. Since the UAL Miami domicile shut down, Jetblue has been an important link to getting to work for those guys. I have heard nothing but praise and appreciation for the hospitality that Jetblue has provided for all those that depend upon them. Sorry you guys ran into some UAL captains that probably need their heads scanned for a brain tumor.

I think any of us F/Os at any airline that get stuck working with this type of Captain in this situation have the right to say "OK pal, if he (the jumpseater) doesn't go, neither do I. Find someone else to fly with that will tolerate your B.S." Then you start packing your stuff.

 

[bestpilot]

Actually, management should be kept out of it. The complaints should originate through respective jumpseat committees.

Dude, I just think it's totally bad Kharma to deny a seat to a commuter, especially if their Airline offers your company unlimited.

Just to screw some guy out of a jumpseat (when the plane's wide open and he's the only jumpseater)--Pretty weak and definitely not worthy of a brew dog from yours truly.

I think maybe like we should start posting Flight#s and Dates on here, maybe we can get there names too. I don't think its cool to blame all UAL pilots, but maybe we can take the bad ones out behind the woodshed and kick some butt!

Maybe that Ty guy went to the chief pilot becaues he already talked to the JS dude at NW. I think I read that before and NW dude gave the Ty guy no love at all.

 

[Ty Webb]

Let's pause for a minute, here, TAZ:

1) It was initially handled through the jumpseat committee chair.

2) Our CP at the time also stated it was the fourth report and was considering strong action, since a pattern was becoming clear.

3) The Captain in question not only refused the jumpseat, but did so in front of the pax (at the podium) in a loud and insulting manner.

4) The AirTran pilot who went to the MEM CP was well-received, and, from what I hear, appropriate action taken.

By this Airtran Capt taking the initiative to have a face-to-face with the CP at NWA, it probably averted further problems for commuters at both AirTran and NWA.

Case closed.

Now we will return to our regularly-scheduled programming of TAZ making an ass out of himself.

End of story.

 

[Devil Dawg]

UAL is the greatest airline ever!! How dare JB compete!

 

[skykid]

Obviously there are a few bad apples out of the 6000+ pilots. I have had great offline jumpseating experiences, esp on Delta, American, Airtran, and Southwest - thanks. I have never witnessed rudeness to a jumpseater nor would I sit quitely if it happened.

Soon there will be VirginUSA and whatever comes next, with their pilots willing to make a large percentage less in pay and benefits - asking for your jumpseat. Are you going to think about what they are doing to "the profession" as you politely welcome them aboard?

 

[TAZ MAN]

Let's pause for a minute, here, TAZ:

1) It was initially handled through the jumpseat committee chair.

2) Our CP at the time also stated it was the fourth report and was considering strong action, since a pattern was becoming clear.

3) The Captain in question not only refused the jumpseat, but did so in front of the pax (at the podium) in a loud and insulting manner.

4) The AirTran pilot who went to the MEM CP was well-received, and, from what I hear, appropriate action taken.

By this Airtran Capt taking the initiative to have a face-to-face with the CP at NWA, it probably averted further problems for commuters at both AirTran and NWA.

Case closed.

Now we will return to our regularly-scheduled programming of TAZ making an ass out of himself.

End of story.

I thought I was on your ignore list? http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=48894&page=4&pp=15

I think your full of crap.

 

[Hobiehawker]

Let's pause for a minute, here, TAZ:

1) It was initially handled through the jumpseat committee chair.

2) Our CP at the time also stated it was the fourth report and was considering strong action, since a pattern was becoming clear.

3) The Captain in question not only refused the jumpseat, but did so in front of the pax (at the podium) in a loud and insulting manner.

4) The AirTran pilot who went to the MEM CP was well-received, and, from what I hear, appropriate action taken.

By this Airtran Capt taking the initiative to have a face-to-face with the CP at NWA, it probably averted further problems for commuters at both AirTran and NWA.

Case closed.

Now we will return to our regularly-scheduled programming of TAZ making an ass out of himself.

End of story.

Geeze, lighten up man.

You didn't give any details of the sort and so you call someone an a$$.

Rrriigghht......ops agent gave him a copy of the release.


You need to step away from the computer for a while.