UAL/CAL near deal

[densoo]

Please don't use post by Mr. G. Lee to make your point, it only weakens your position.

OK.

General Lee,

Did the SLI run like this?:

Take all the pilots on the property and merge them, so the most senior pilot on each list are next to each other, and the most junior pilot on the property are next to each other, and everyone in between is generally integrated in some way determined by arbitrator.

Then, take all the pilots not on the property and merge them, so the most senior pilot on each list not on the property are next to each other, and the most junior pilot not on the property are next each other.

Then, take the second list and put it under the first list.

 

[thor2j]

Gen Lee I think you are talking out of school as you don’t understand the differences or similarities between the CAL and UAL work rules. It is CAL pilots that will benefit from the work rules of UAL. The pay is a wash when you add in the retirement contributions. UAL will gain in scope.

Bottom line here is how much is the company willing to pay to get ALPA and AFA onboard.

On a side note how many 737-300s did CAL park these past two years?

They pay is a wash????
A 3% less retirement for a 20% pay cut, that's not a wash.

There isn't a CAL guy out there that will benefit from this disaster.

 

[FDJ2]

OK.

General Lee,

Did the SLI run like this?:

Take all the pilots on the property and merge them, so the most senior pilot on each list are next to each other, and the most junior pilot on the property are next to each other, and everyone in between is generally integrated in some way determined by arbitrator.

Then, take all the pilots not on the property and merge them, so the most senior pilot on each list not on the property are next to each other, and the most junior pilot not on the property are next each other.

Then, take the second list and put it under the first list.

Here is a brief summary of how the lists were constructed at DAL/NWA if that's what you are asking.

"We have chosen, instead, to recognize the fleets as divided simply into wide-body and narrow-body groupings, two for Captains, two for FOs.12"​

"12 All Delta and NWA B757s are considered wide-body aircraft for this purpose because Delta operates its B767s and 757s as a combined fleet."

"Constructing the Integrated System Seniority List.​

The ISSL has been constructed from the pre-merger Delta and pre-merger
Northwest pilot seniority lists in effect on November 1, 2008, as provided to the Panel by the parties, in the manner set forth below.​

The relative position of each pilot on the pre-merger lists remained unchanged on the ISSL.(no reordering of premerger lists)​

1. All pilots on long-term sick leave (12 months or longer) were removed
from the pre-merger lists. (taken out for the purposes of constructing status/category ratios of active pilots)​

2. The 274 oldest Northwest pilots were removed from the pre-merger list.
(credit given to NWA pilots for increased attrition over the near term) ​

3. The first 3045 positions on the ISSL were filled with the first 1961 Delta
pilots and 1084 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of 1961:1084 beginning with a Delta pilot.(wide bodied captains positions)​

4. The next 2433 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 1313 Delta pilots and 1120 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
1313:1120 beginning with a Delta pilot.(narrow bodied captain positions)​

5. The next 3932 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 2580 Delta pilots and 1352 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
2580:1352 beginning with a Delta pilot.(wide bodied first officer positions)​

6. The ISSL was completed with Delta and Northwest pilots remaining on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of 1314:957 Delta to Northwest pilots beginning with a Delta pilot until both pre-merger lists are exhausted subject to paragraph 7, below.(narrow bodied first officer positions)​

7. All pilots with dates of hire after April 14, 2008, were placed at the bottom of the ISSL in order of date of hire.(pilots hired by DAL after the merger announcement)​

8. The Northwest pilots pulled in paragraph 2. were inserted directly above
the next junior Northwest pilot.(the 274 oldest NWA pilots pulled out earlier are plugged back in to account for greater NWA pilot retirements in the near term)​

9. The pilots on long-term sick leave pulled in paragraph 1. were inserted
directly above the next junior pilot on his/her respective pre-merger list."
(these pilots aren't active and were pulled out at the beginning)​

 

[Flybywire44]

Good luck CAL/UAL guys... Hope this ends well and Tilton fades from the picture.

 

[densoo]

Here is a brief summary of how the lists were constructed at DAL/NWA if that's what you are asking.

Thanks.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

OK.

General Lee,

Did the SLI run like this?:

Take all the pilots on the property and merge them, so the most senior pilot on each list are next to each other, and the most junior pilot on the property are next to each other, and everyone in between is generally integrated in some way determined by arbitrator.

Then, take all the pilots not on the property and merge them, so the most senior pilot on each list not on the property are next to each other, and the most junior pilot not on the property are next each other.

Then, take the second list and put it under the first list.

May sound logical, but do you honestly think furlough 147 at CAL is not better off than 1470 at UAL??? There has to be some consideration for career expectations. All CAL furloughs are rumored to be back in the fall '10. Are there any rumors/news for UAL furloughs?

YOGI

 

[densoo]

May sound logical, but do you honestly think furlough 147 at CAL is not better off than 1470 at UAL??? There has to be some consideration for career expectations. All CAL furloughs are rumored to be back in the fall '10.

I absolutely do think that #147 at CAL should be better placed, much better placed than #1470 at UAL. Furloughed for a couple of years and likely recalled this fall vice being recalled five years from now should count for a great deal, especially when the 147 were simply hostages to JV flying.

But what an arbitrator thinks may be another thing and it helps to know what has happened in a recent SLI in trying to understand what might happen in the next.

 

[densoo]

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[MILF Hunter]

All CAL furloughs are rumored to be back in the fall '10.

YOGI

There is a rumor that General Lee has three balls. What's your point?

 

[Yuppyguppy]

FLight info at it's best.....RUMORS!!!RUMORS!!!

the facts will be out soon be patient