UAL/CAL Merger Buzz Article......(Again)

[General Lee]

Oh wait, CAL pilots are PERFECT......

At least they are not landing on the taxiway....or missing airports.

You mean like this:

On May 11, 1997 Flight 1760, inbound from IAH landed safely at Cabaniss Field Naval Air Station in Corpus Christi by mistake. The plane was approaching CRP through low clouds and directed by approach to use the runway localizer to runway 31 to guide them to the runway. When the Captain saw a runway ahead of him after leaving the clouds he made his approach and landed on runway 31 at Cabaniss Field 5 miles to the southeast.
Contributing to this incident was the tower controller at Corpus Christi turning the runway 13 localizer on for a prior arrival. After that aircraft landed it was not disengaged to turn the localizer to runway 31 back on. Both localizers used the same frequency. There are only 40 frequencies that are currently available for them to operate on. In order to efficiently manage the available radio spectrum many runways utilize the same frequency on opposite ends. To prevent the two transmitting arrays from conflicting with each other only one can be turned on at a time. Pilots are able to distinguish them from each other by listening for the callsign transmitted over the frequency in morse code.
The crew in this case failed to identify the localizer, which would have alerted them they were not on the correct localizer. They were in fact flying an unauthorized back course. On a normal approach a left deflection of the instrument needle means the plane should adjust its course to the left to intercept the localizer. With a back course it is now the other way around, a fly left indication means fly right. This error may have led the plane off course enough to place Cabaniss Field in front of them.



Or how about this:


Thursday, November 2, 2006

Experts: Newark taxiway landing a rare occurrence
By DAVID PORTER
The Associated Press


NEWARK, N.J. -- To an experienced pilot, runway 29 at Newark Liberty
International Airport is hard to miss. It's half a football field wide, and
like all runways, is marked by white lights on each side and down its center
line. Even if a pilot can't see it due to poor weather, instruments would
say if a plane was even a few feet off course.

All of which makes Saturday night's landing of a Continental Airlines flight
on an adjacent taxiway more puzzling. How could the pilot have missed it?

Landings on taxiways are a rare occurrence, according to aviation experts.
That doesn't erase the frightening image of a jet landing on a narrow
taxiway normally used for towing planes and slow-moving cargo.

"It's an incredibly dangerous thing," said Justin Green, a New York attorney
specializing in aviation litigation and a former Marine aviation accident
investigator. He said taxiways aren't designed for the weight and speed of a
landing plane.

"They're not cleared for traffic; someone could have been taxiing while he
was landing," Green said.

The taxiway where the plane landed extends to the northwest along the
airport's northern end and borders several aircraft parking areas as well as
an administration building used by the Port Authority of New York and New
Jersey, the agency that operates the airport.

The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the landing of
Continental Flight 1883, which was carrying 154 people from Orlando, Fla.
Both pilots were grounded by the airline.

An inspection was completed by Thursday but the board was awaiting
statements from the flight crew before conducting interviews, according to
Jill Andrews, who is leading the investigation.

According to the NTSB's preliminary report released Thursday night, Flight
1883 was initially cleared for an approach to runway 22L, which lands to the
southwest. Runway 22L is equipped with an Instrument Landing System (ILS), a
precision instrument approach that displays in the cockpit whether a plane
is lined up with the middle of the runway. They were then directed to turn
and land on runway 29, which lands to the northwest parallel to the taxiway.




LOL!!!!!!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

DAL market cap (as of MAR 10 2010): $10,450,000,000 (cal + ual combined market cap for same date: $6,270,000,000)
DAL total liabilities: $43,290,000,000
DAL net tangible assets: ($14,371,000,000)
DAL 2008 operating loss: ($1,707,000,000)
DAL average airframe age: 15.4 years

Yeah... WOW... I hope you guys can make it beyond tomorrow at 10:15am with those numbers.

It's also worth mentioning that CAL and UAL, independently each collect roughly an average 5% more in revenue per ticket sold than Delta Airlines. (source: DOT)

WOW, is right.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

So wait, you are making fun of DL's finances (with a loss due to hedging last year, which UAL also had), when a merger with UAL and CAL will decimate CAL's stellar credit rating? Why are they thinking about merging anyway? Because it will make them worth MORE, and investors want it. Too bad you would have to take UAL's debt and more senior pilots. That will be fun to watch. Look, you may want to sit down (on a toilet) and think this whole thing over, because it will sting. Enjoy it. You will be saying WOW a lot through the process, and not in a good way. Wait until you see UAL's first proposal to merge lists.

And again, thanks for killing the Concorde.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Your both wrong . it,s Don't Excpect Luggage To Arrive

You are wrong too. It is Don't Even Let Them Aboard. That is what you may have been told when you interviewed at Delta.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Yuppyguppy]

DAL market cap (as of MAR 10 2010): $10,450,000,000 (cal + ual combined market cap for same date: $6,270,000,000)
DAL total liabilities: $43,290,000,000
DAL net tangible assets: ($14,371,000,000)
DAL 2008 operating loss: ($1,707,000,000)
DAL average airframe age: 15.4 years

Yeah... WOW... I hope you guys can make it beyond tomorrow at 10:15am with those numbers.

It's also worth mentioning that CAL and UAL, independently each collect roughly an average 5% more in revenue per ticket sold than Delta Airlines. (source: DOT)

WOW, is right.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

GENERAL GOT STOMPED AGAIN! LMAO! the facts nothin but the facts

 

[General Lee]

GENERAL GOT STOMPED AGAIN! LMAO! the facts nothin but the facts

Wow, DL is worth more--actually twice the combination of UAL and CAL now, but has a large amount of tangible assets in the red. A good merger aims to try to fix that, but one that can never see synergies will never fix a problem like that (USAir). I can't wait to watch the UAL and CAL merger. It will likely be more contentious than the USAir merger. If that happens, you won't be able to clean up your UAL mess.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

DAL market cap (as of MAR 10 2010): $10,450,000,000 (cal + ual combined market cap for same date: $6,270,000,000)
DAL total liabilities: $43,290,000,000
DAL net tangible assets: ($14,371,000,000)
DAL 2008 operating loss: ($1,707,000,000)
DAL average airframe age: 15.4 years

Yeah... WOW... I hope you guys can make it beyond tomorrow at 10:15am with those numbers.

It's also worth mentioning that CAL and UAL, independently each collect roughly an average 5% more in revenue per ticket sold than Delta Airlines. (source: DOT)

WOW, is right.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

This from an APC thread.....

Delta Compared to the rest of the world:

Ben,

That makes you guys look like "small potatoes." And, even after DL's $1.2 billion write down for hedging last year, DL actually gained $400 million in cash towards cash on hand. To top it off, you killed the Concorde. Aren't you ashamed?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[mamba20]

Talk about a thread drift.

 

[eaglesview]

You are wrong too. It is Don't Even Let Them Aboard. That is what you may have been told when you interviewed at Delta.


Bye Bye--General Lee

No General, I was not even offered a Delta interview I am no where good enough for that. I am sure there is no way in hell I would have passed the psych exam, which is good news as that is a good indicater I am actually normal. Besides that the double breasted adds ten pounds.

 

[BID]

ha ha no shi#@ need to get out of the high school forums.

 

[jumppilot]

BTo top it off, you killed the Concorde. Aren't you ashamed?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Didn't the French not do a required FOD check prior to the the Concorde taking off?

 

[jbDC9]

To top it off, you killed the Concorde. Aren't you ashamed?

Bye Bye---General Lee

Aren't you ashamed for being such a flaming a$$hole?

 

[fflyerworld]

Reading all these nasty comments makes me wonder why no one has mentioned one if not one of the most important aspects of any merger or acquistion. L A B O R
There is not a day that goes by that I don't hear some of my UA friends complaining and bitching about how bad things are at UA internally - morale awful, hatred and distrust of mgt. (forever I think no matter who is at the helm) etc etc. This is everyone - CSR's , FA's, Pilots, Rampers, Mechanics. UA has a history of this type of negativity. For years it has reflected on their customers (me for one) and anyone who thinks that merging this work force with another one (who cares who it is) is a good idea and will make the world a better place - - needs to wake up. Just look at the US - HP merger a few years ago. They are STILL battling each other and have seen very little if any so called synergies since their joining. You must take care of your own people before you can be successful at tackling a whole new group of labor intensive folks. No matter how you look at this - airlines are a service focused, customer oriented industry. If you can't be happy with yourselves how the hell are you going to be able to take care of who you serve??
Best of Luck to all my UA friends whether or not you merge with CO, US , or whomever!

 

[BID]

General Lee,

did you vote for scope relief?

 

[contrail67]

Well, i don't work for either carrier, and don't mean to interrupt you guys Rant fun...but, guess this is the appropriate time to say that everyone know what 'DELTA' stands for:


Don't Ever Land There Again

Hey, i know its an old joke, but still Funny. And, well, probably get the deltoids all spooled up, as they have NO sense of humor, if the joke is about their 'beloved delta' . . . oh well.

That one comes from them putting a 727 down at Ohio State University airport instead of Columbus International...ooopps. Uh..they missed...but only by about 5 miles. I guess at that point you just say.."welcome to Ohio"...???

 

[Paul R. Smith]

WOW!!!
This thread is good. Good & Terrible.

 

[Ben Franklin]

This from an APC thread.....

Delta Compared to the rest of the world:

Ben,

That makes you guys look like "small potatoes." And, even after DL's $1.2 billion write down for hedging last year, DL actually gained $400 million in cash towards cash on hand. To top it off, you killed the Concorde. Aren't you ashamed?


Bye Bye---General Lee

The DAL number on that link included all NWA and regional flying.

Adding up CAL and UAL numbers in that chart puts the new airline right there with DAL - hardly "small potatoes" when you're only a % or two less in total pax carried. Take into account the 5% revenue premium that the new company would most likely continue to enjoy and there's more total revenue for carrying fewer passengers on the combined carrier's network.

Speaking of size.. how big is STAR vs. SKYTEAM again? Oh that's right.. SKYTEAM is "small potatoes" when compared to STAR.

Why ask about the concorde 3 times? It always a tragedy when people die. Food for thought though from your other post - no one died on the DC10 and the concorde program was "killed" by high fuel prices, high maintenance prices and lower ticket premiums - not one crash... as you would "feel" is correct.

It's sad that you say that you would "enjoy" watching a CAL/UAL merger (fail, as you wish) - It really shows your lack of class to wish ill will on other pilots while hoping for/writing about your own potential success.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[IAHERJ]

This from an APC thread.....

Delta Compared to the rest of the world:

Ben,

That makes you guys look like "small potatoes." And, even after DL's $1.2 billion write down for hedging last year, DL actually gained $400 million in cash towards cash on hand. To top it off, you killed the Concorde. Aren't you ashamed?


Bye Bye---General Lee

ATW numbers always list Continental Micronesia separate from Continental. "Small potatoes"? I think not.

 

[100/hour/5y]

CAL SUCKS!
The Quality of life at CAL vs Delta

My Delta buddy JFK ER

While I sit on the bottom of my category after the recent displacements, It's an extremely laid back life sitting reserve in base. A few short calls spread around through the month and on an average flying 2-3 trips a month (length ranging from day trip to 4 days). Sometimes less, sometimes more.

3rd year pay last year I made a bit over 100k while averaging flying somewhere around 40 or 45 hours a month. It's definitely a great place to work.

CAL EWR 756

I am on 4th year pay and just made 70K last year... I live in Base and bid Reserve.

I get my days rolled off and double duty duty periods about 2-4 times a month or more.

I fly about 45-60 hrs a month and in the summer 80hrs plus...

CAL sucks

 

[Ex737Driver]

.....This thread is good. Good & Terrible.

Classic movie.

 

[flygirlqt]

That one comes from them putting a 727 down at Ohio State University airport instead of Columbus International...ooopps. Uh..they missed...but only by about 5 miles. I guess at that point you just say.."welcome to Ohio"...???

I thought it was when they landed at Mac Dill AFB instead of TPA

Or does it stand for:

Damn Engines Lets Try Another when they shut down the wrong engine on that 767 coming out of LAX some time ago?