UAL/CAL contract offer

[luckytohaveajob]

IAHERJ has always been a yes voter.

 

[BID]

CAL pilots never vote no.

They do not even need contract language finalized. CAL pilots vote and sign off on bullet points alone.

Scared, oh so scared to even give a hint who you work for ! Flame bait should be your name. Probably Pocono. Remember that piece of work. Sounds similar.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

The whole concept of FI.com is anonymity.

Do you know what anonymity means?

 

[luckytohaveajob]

And the only reason you see it as a flame is because you know I am right and it gets to your little itty bitty ego.

I fly a 76 and get paid $xx. Oh, never mind nothing else in my contract is up to a legacy standard because I get paid $xx.

A contract has 26 sections. Compensation is just one of those 26.

 

[IAHERJ]

I hope you are having as much fun posting as I am. If you think for 1 second I give a rats ass about your flaming bull******************** you are dead wrong. I do, however believe you are most likely a pilot for XJT. Sounds like a bitter little ERJ driver to me. Funny thing will be trying to find you in a year when UAL has the industry leading contract and you will be still driving around that outsourced replacement jet.

 

[Ex737Driver]

How can anyone here believe this crap? Dead thread. Let the negoiators do their job. Who cares what they offer, if in fact there is one. What matters is the end result here.

 

[Hvy]

The whole concept of FI.com is anonymity.

Do you know what anonymity means?

Yeah...it means that people can be Aholes to others with no repercussions. Sad that some operate that way.

 

[Shrek]

How can anyone here believe this crap? Dead thread. Let the negoiators do their job. Who cares what they offer, if in fact there is one. What matters is the end result here.

Exactly.......the UAL/CAL MECs would never let it go to the group for a vote........Let the NC do it's job and keep the powder dry for now.

 

[Skippy]

Scope Scope Scope

How would Delta minus 1 sound if it included United work rules and Continental Scope?

b/c it didnt

 

[eaglesview]

To a large extent (seen differently by different folks) scope is money. In my mind scope is far more important than becoming the top paid airline. Leading industry contract goes way beyond what one makes in an hour. You make nothing when you are furloughed and on the street.

 

[bluefin]

Thank god for UAL pilots...

Just back from CDG and the Captain is happy with the current contract and just wants his A fund protected... He is all for the 70+ seat rj's as "it will make his commute easier"... Yep 83...

FUPM

Look for a big update on Friday from the union!!!

Typical UAL fat a@# Capt, probably the same one who told me that furloughs build character.

 

[jonjuan]

Typical UAL fat a@# Capt, probably the same one who told me that furloughs build character.

Did he leave minus some teeth?

 

[bluefin]

Did he leave minus some teeth?

No, but they had to send out a memo stating, "stop talking about what sucks more, losing your baron or 32' ft boat, cause your getting a pay cut, while flying with a pilot about to be kicked out the door!!"

 

[eaglesview]

Typical UAL fat a@# Capt, probably the same one who told me that furloughs build character.

Reread the post, it was from a CO pilot. Try to keep up.

 

[bluefin]

Reread the post, it was from a CO pilot. Try to keep up.

oooooooops!! my bad, maybe thats why I tnac dnif krow. Getting too fired up on this issue!!!

 

[100/hour/5y]

CAL MEC NEWS FRI OCT 30, 2010 ALPA: The Pilots Union



147 Pilots on the Street
Oct. 29, 2010

Contents
Chairman's Brief
Negotiating
Merger
Alliance Oversight - Pacific Antitrust Immunity
SPSC - CommutAir, SPSC Holiday Events, The Front Line
A MESSAGE FROM THE CHAIRMAN
I spent most of the week in ORD working with the Alliance Committee on Scope issues, the R&I Committee on how or if we should respond to some false assumptions being made by a few pilots on what is or is or is not a part of our JCBA proposal and with the JNC as they received management’s counterproposals for all the unresolved sections of the JCBA.

As I mentioned in last week’s brief, the Alliance Oversight Committee, along with other relevant experts and counsel, have been analyzing management’s announced plan that includes 70-seat United Express regional jet flying with the Continental code out of our hubs. We created a step-by-step process to ensure that we methodically review all pertinent aspects of the Company’s plan and determine our best course of action. The first step included a meeting with the Company this week to express our pilot group’s serious concerns and to explain that we believed the flying would be a violation of our Scope provisions. Most importantly, we asked management for an explanation as to how they believed these flights could be operated in compliance with our CBA. Unfortunately, they were not able to provide their justification yet, but promised to do so shortly. We will carefully review management's legal explanation if and when we receive one.

I cannot stress enough how extremely shortsighted it would be for the Company to move forward with these plans in violation of our CBA. I have made our stance on outsourcing well known to management, the public and to Congress. To attempt to circumvent the Scope section as almost the very first action of the merged UAL can only be viewed by our pilots as a direct affront on our interests and an insult to each of us. Not only will it adversely affect our negotiations for a JCBA, we are prepared to use all appropriate legal vehicles to bring resolution to this issue and ultimately prevent outsourcing in violation of our current CBA.

 

[jonjuan]

My guess as their response regarding the "violation of our cba" would be that while it violates the former CAL cba, it doesn't violate the UAL cba. Hopefully they won't make y'all negotiate further for it with the new combined UAL cba.

 

[eaglesview]

oooooooops!! my bad, maybe thats why I tnac dnif krow. Getting too fired up on this issue!!!

There is no such thing as getting to fired up on this issue.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

CAL ALPA official response is we are looking into it when it should be we are not going to stand for it and do x about it starting today.

But again CAL ALPA is caught off guard and will do nothing.

 

[BID]

CAL ALPA official response is we are looking into it when it should be we are not going to stand for it and do x about it starting today.

But again CAL ALPA is caught off guard and will do nothing.

CAL ALPA is already doing something. Maybe not to your superior standards, but none the less the wheels are in motion.

and don't get so worked up! heck you don't even work for CAL, right? So what do you care? Patience, we will get this resolved.