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United Seeks Piece of Independence Air

By Bill Brubaker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 23, 2005; Page D04

Independence Air, which filed for bankruptcy protection last month, has received another bid for its assets -- this one, from its former longtime partner, United Airlines.

United's parent, UAL Corp., which has been operating under bankruptcy protection for two years, said yesterday it wants to buy unidentified assets of Dulles-based Flyi Inc., which runs low-cost Independence Air.


In documents filed with U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Chicago, United sought the court's permission to place a confidential bid in the auction called by Flyi on Nov. 7.

United did not specify which assets it is seeking, and it asked the court to keep details of its bid confidential.

"To preserve United's competitive position in the Auction it is necessary to keep the description of the assets on which it is bidding" and the amount of the bid, "confidential," United said in the filing.

United is the second known bidder for Flyi, which has been losing money since it was formed in June 2004. Last week, The Washington Post reported thatMesa Air Group Inc., an Arizona-based regional carrier that tried to acquire the parent of Independence Air two years ago, is also bidding.

If its bid is successful, Mesa plans to fold Flyi into its overall operations and return it to its original form -- that of a regional feeder for a larger airline, sources told The Washington Post.

Flyi's predecessor, Atlantic Coast Airlines Holding Corp., operated as a feeder carrier for United from 1989 to 2004.

Jean Medina, a United spokeswoman, said last night that the Elk Grove Township, Ill.-based carrier is "seeking the formality of court approval to enable us participate in their auction should it move forward. However, we have not indicated what, if any, assets we may be interested in."

Rick DeLisi, a spokesman for Flyi, said last night: "We're not offering any comments on any of the bids. The process is designed to be conducted in confidence."

United, which is hoping to emerge from bankruptcy protection this winter, has a hub at Washington Dulles International Airport, where Flyi is based.

Flyi has complained that its financial problems are due in part to United's competitive response at Dulles, where it has added flights and matched fares.Flyi last month received approval from the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Wilmington, Del., to auction all or part of its assets on Jan. 3. DeLisi said recently, however, that the airline has no deadline to complete the auction.

United asked the bankruptcy court in Chicago for permission to file under seal an exhibit that will offer details of its bid, according to yesterday's filing.

Washington Post Staff Writer Staff Keith L. Alexander contributed to this report.
 
UAL is likely trying to get the A gates at IAD and possibly some ground equipment. I don't think that UAL has interest in much else.
 
United's parent, UAL Corp., which has been operating under bankruptcy protection for two years

I'm sorry, is someone behind the times? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this December the third aniversary of United's attempt to hide out in bankruptcy long enough for market forces to change in their favor?
 
Juniority said:
I'm sorry, is someone behind the times? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this December the third aniversary of United's attempt to hide out in bankruptcy long enough for market forces to change in their favor?

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Juniority said:
I'm sorry, is someone behind the times? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this December the third aniversary of United's attempt to hide out in bankruptcy long enough for market forces to change in their favor?

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Juniority said:
I'm sorry, is someone behind the times? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this December the third aniversary of United's attempt to hide out in bankruptcy long enough for market forces to change in their favor?

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Juniority said:
I'm sorry, is someone behind the times? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this December the third aniversary of United's attempt to hide out in bankruptcy long enough for market forces to change in their favor?

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Juniority said:
I'm sorry, is someone behind the times? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this December the third aniversary of United's attempt to hide out in bankruptcy long enough for market forces to change in their favor?


One of the United States largest and complicated bankrupctcies....but according to YOU it's too long.
Sorry they couldn't adhere to YOUR schedule..what a putz.

Stick to passing gas junior.
 
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UAL bids on FLYi assets

It's like Stevie Wonder bidding on new sun glasses, an absolute waste of time.
 
koko nw,
having trouble with the Enter button?

I find this funny that a bankrupt carrier can bid on items from another bankrupt carrier.
 
G4G5 said:
UAL bids on FLYi assets

It's like Stevie Wonder bidding on new sun glasses, an absolute waste of time.

UAL is clearly being strategic about it - they don't want JetBlue bidding on the gates, etc. That's all UAL needs, a swarm of E190s flooding into IAD with cheap seats and nice IFE...
 
Heavy Set said:
UAL is clearly being strategic about it - they don't want JetBlue bidding on the gates, etc. That's all UAL needs, a swarm of E190s flooding into IAD with cheap seats and nice IFE...

I think that there's a bit more to it than that. UAL has run out of gates. The G gates are maxed out and they are currently using a lot of the even gates on the C & D concourse for express operations. If UAL were to get back the A gates, they could open up all of C & D to mainline operations along with greatly reducing the number of flights out of G concourse.
UAL is also short on ground equipment at IAD. They could probably take all of FLYI's ground equipment and still need additional ground equipment.
 
Heavy Set said:
UAL is clearly being strategic about it - they don't want JetBlue bidding on the gates, etc. That's all UAL needs, a swarm of E190s flooding into IAD with cheap seats and nice IFE...

There's no way than anyone could operate E190's out of the A gates. It is hard enough to fit the CRJ in there.
JetBlue would have to tear the gates down and rebuild if they want to use that area.
 
flyin4pennies said:
There's no way than anyone could operate E190's out of the A gates. It is hard enough to fit the CRJ in there.
JetBlue would have to tear the gates down and rebuild if they want to use that area.

FLYI uses each finger for 4 or 6 (I can't remember which) CRJs. If they went down to 2 E190s per finger, it could be done. Perhaps not optimum, but there's enough room to fit E190s in there. I think that JetBlue would rather have new E190 gates on the far side of the B gates.
 
Andy said:
FLYI uses each finger for 4 or 6 (I can't remember which) CRJs. If they went down to 2 E190s per finger, it could be done. Perhaps not optimum, but there's enough room to fit E190s in there. I think that JetBlue would rather have new E190 gates on the far side of the B gates.

Dude, it was tight getting the RJ in and out of the fingers, I don't know!!

Four inside and two at the end to be exact.

Anyone know who moved into the F gates at the IAD main terminal?
 
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flyin4pennies said:
There's no way than anyone could operate E190's out of the A gates. It is hard enough to fit the CRJ in there.
JetBlue would have to tear the gates down and rebuild if they want to use that area.

Those gates were designed to be torn down and re-configured easily. That's why they have long glass fingers which are attached to the ground at certain strategic points. It wouldn't take long for jetBlue to configure them.

I was at Indy for many years and would love to see a real LCC force United to provide a good product as opposed to what they have now at IAD.
 
DH2WN said:
Those gates were designed to be torn down and re-configured easily. That's why they have long glass fingers which are attached to the ground at certain strategic points. It wouldn't take long for jetBlue to configure them.

Even so, how many E190s could they fit into the terminal that they would replace the current A gates with, and is it worth it? Also I agree with the second part of your post.
 
Juniority said:
I'm sorry, is someone behind the times? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this December the third aniversary of United's attempt to hide out in bankruptcy long enough for market forces to change in their favor?

Yo Junior,

Sounds like they got it right...You get consolation points for figgerin it out.

Murk
 
c5driver said:
Stick to passing gas junior.

What's wrong with passing gas bro?!:rolleyes:[/quote]

Nothing...Ignorant choice of words, my apologies to the tanker community. His statement below set it off, my passing gas/putz statement brought it down to his level and that was wrong.

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Originally Posted by Juniority
I'm sorry, is someone behind the times? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this December the third aniversary of United's attempt to hide out in bankruptcy long enough for market forces to change in their favor?



One of the United States largest and complicated bankrupctcies....but according to YOU it's too long.
Sorry they couldn't adhere to YOUR schedule..what a putz.
 
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SWA/FO said:
koko nw,
having trouble with the Enter button?

YES! How do you delete the extras?

I find this funny that a bankrupt carrier can bid on items from another bankrupt carrier.

I think their going after their gates, in order to prevent it from falling into the hands of another LCC. You know a strategic move, but hey slam them for trying to be proactive but if they hadn't you'd probably slam them for being incompetent.

To each his own, Merry Christmas SWA/FO
 
United Airlines filed for bankruptcy protection on 11 Dec 2002, any way you choose to slice it that comes up to three years now. I don't know why that pushed your hot-button Koko, but you sure do shoot low quickly. I don't think I'd like spending any time with you under stressful conditions...

By the way, bankruptcy used to be a (relatively short) period of reorganization followed by an exit or the admission of failure that is liquidation. United is setting a new record for airline bankruptcy with each passing day, is that something I shouldn't point out? Help me if I've overstepped myself in noting that point.

Yes, I fly tankers (Go Guard!).
 
Juniority said:
United Airlines filed for bankruptcy protection on 11 Dec 2002, any way you choose to slice it that comes up to three years now. I don't know why that pushed your hot-button Koko, but you sure do shoot low quickly. I don't think I'd like spending any time with you under stressful conditions...

By the way, bankruptcy used to be a (relatively short) period of reorganization followed by an exit or the admission of failure that is liquidation. United is setting a new record for airline bankruptcy with each passing day, is that something I shouldn't point out? Help me if I've overstepped myself in noting that point.

Yes, I fly tankers (Go Guard!).

Maybe you should know exactly what you're talking about when asking someone if they need you to "point something" out for them. Don't know if you're too young to remember or just don't know airline history that well but as far as recent airline bankruptcies go...
From 1983 to 1993 CAL was in bankruptcy for 5.5 of those years.
America West from 1990-93 or 94.
TWA from 92-94.
Anyway, an airlines time in bankruptcy is not as important as that airline coming out of bankruptcy being able to operate profitably.
Also, your assertion that past airline liquidation was an "admission of failure" is way off. We can discuss this further if you'd like.

D-Bo
 
Juniority said:
United Airlines filed for bankruptcy protection on 11 Dec 2002, any way you choose to slice it that comes up to three years now. I don't know why that pushed your hot-button Koko, but you sure do shoot low quickly. I don't think I'd like spending any time with you under stressful conditions...

By the way, bankruptcy used to be a (relatively short) period of reorganization followed by an exit or the admission of failure that is liquidation. United is setting a new record for airline bankruptcy with each passing day, is that something I shouldn't point out? Help me if I've overstepped myself in noting that point.

Yes, I fly tankers (Go Guard!).

Juniority, maybe it was your "hiding In" snide remark. But your right I overstepped with my lame pass gas remark and I apologize. You will have to admit the past bankruptcies fail in comparison in regards to the size and complexity of UAL but you have your views as too their expected duration, so be it.

By the way the last 2.5 years, have been primarily in the "box" flying so being under "stressful" conditions is the norm.

My apologies too you, happy holidays

Go C-17's (Reserve)
 
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koko nw said:
But your right I overstepped with my lame pass gas remark and I apologize.

I loved being in the T-tail mafia and used to bash my tanker bro's a lot. Guess now since I am one I should stick up for the community. We're all brothers in the same fight anyway. No need to apologize, have a Merry Christmas!:beer:
 
I think it is reprehensible that a company is allowed to throw away retirement plans for current and former employees, brow beat employees under the threat of 1113 motions and then, while still under bankruptcy protection, be allowed to go shopping.
 
koko nw said:
One of the United States largest and complicated bankrupctcies....but according to YOU it's too long.
Sorry they couldn't adhere to YOUR schedule..what a putz.

Stick to passing gas junior.

It's funny to see someone defend a company that takes away it's employees hard earned retirement while running prime time cartoonmercials.

-PB
 
Propblast said:
It's funny to see someone defend a company that takes away it's employees hard earned retirement while running prime time cartoonmercials.

-PB

Then again, it has always been interesting over the years watching some defend companies that never offered retirements in the first place. Unfortunately, the traveling public never cared about that as they continue to bid ticket prices to levels that will never again support it.
 

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