UAL bids on FLYi assets

[koko nw]

Stick to passing gas junior.

What's wrong with passing gas bro?![/quote]

Nothing...Ignorant choice of words, my apologies to the tanker community. His statement below set it off, my passing gas/putz statement brought it down to his level and that was wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Juniority
I'm sorry, is someone behind the times? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this December the third aniversary of United's attempt to hide out in bankruptcy long enough for market forces to change in their favor?



One of the United States largest and complicated bankrupctcies....but according to YOU it's too long.
Sorry they couldn't adhere to YOUR schedule..what a putz.

 

[koko nw]

koko nw,
having trouble with the Enter button?

YES! How do you delete the extras?

I find this funny that a bankrupt carrier can bid on items from another bankrupt carrier.

I think their going after their gates, in order to prevent it from falling into the hands of another LCC. You know a strategic move, but hey slam them for trying to be proactive but if they hadn't you'd probably slam them for being incompetent.

To each his own, Merry Christmas SWA/FO

 

[Juniority]

United Airlines filed for bankruptcy protection on 11 Dec 2002, any way you choose to slice it that comes up to three years now. I don't know why that pushed your hot-button Koko, but you sure do shoot low quickly. I don't think I'd like spending any time with you under stressful conditions...

By the way, bankruptcy used to be a (relatively short) period of reorganization followed by an exit or the admission of failure that is liquidation. United is setting a new record for airline bankruptcy with each passing day, is that something I shouldn't point out? Help me if I've overstepped myself in noting that point.

Yes, I fly tankers (Go Guard!).

 

[D-Bo]

United Airlines filed for bankruptcy protection on 11 Dec 2002, any way you choose to slice it that comes up to three years now. I don't know why that pushed your hot-button Koko, but you sure do shoot low quickly. I don't think I'd like spending any time with you under stressful conditions...

By the way, bankruptcy used to be a (relatively short) period of reorganization followed by an exit or the admission of failure that is liquidation. United is setting a new record for airline bankruptcy with each passing day, is that something I shouldn't point out? Help me if I've overstepped myself in noting that point.

Yes, I fly tankers (Go Guard!).

Maybe you should know exactly what you're talking about when asking someone if they need you to "point something" out for them. Don't know if you're too young to remember or just don't know airline history that well but as far as recent airline bankruptcies go...
From 1983 to 1993 CAL was in bankruptcy for 5.5 of those years.
America West from 1990-93 or 94.
TWA from 92-94.
Anyway, an airlines time in bankruptcy is not as important as that airline coming out of bankruptcy being able to operate profitably.
Also, your assertion that past airline liquidation was an "admission of failure" is way off. We can discuss this further if you'd like.

D-Bo

 

[koko nw]

United Airlines filed for bankruptcy protection on 11 Dec 2002, any way you choose to slice it that comes up to three years now. I don't know why that pushed your hot-button Koko, but you sure do shoot low quickly. I don't think I'd like spending any time with you under stressful conditions...

By the way, bankruptcy used to be a (relatively short) period of reorganization followed by an exit or the admission of failure that is liquidation. United is setting a new record for airline bankruptcy with each passing day, is that something I shouldn't point out? Help me if I've overstepped myself in noting that point.

Yes, I fly tankers (Go Guard!).

Juniority, maybe it was your "hiding In" snide remark. But your right I overstepped with my lame pass gas remark and I apologize. You will have to admit the past bankruptcies fail in comparison in regards to the size and complexity of UAL but you have your views as too their expected duration, so be it.

By the way the last 2.5 years, have been primarily in the "box" flying so being under "stressful" conditions is the norm.

My apologies too you, happy holidays

Go C-17's (Reserve)

 

[c5driver]

But your right I overstepped with my lame pass gas remark and I apologize.

I loved being in the T-tail mafia and used to bash my tanker bro's a lot. Guess now since I am one I should stick up for the community. We're all brothers in the same fight anyway. No need to apologize, have a Merry Christmas!:beer:

 

[Boeingman]

I think it is reprehensible that a company is allowed to throw away retirement plans for current and former employees, brow beat employees under the threat of 1113 motions and then, while still under bankruptcy protection, be allowed to go shopping.

 

[Propblast]

One of the United States largest and complicated bankrupctcies....but according to YOU it's too long.
Sorry they couldn't adhere to YOUR schedule..what a putz.

Stick to passing gas junior.

It's funny to see someone defend a company that takes away it's employees hard earned retirement while running prime time cartoonmercials.

-PB

 

[GuppyWN]

Some clinical analysts would call it "battered wife syndrom."

Gup

 

[Mugs]

It's funny to see someone defend a company that takes away it's employees hard earned retirement while running prime time cartoonmercials.

-PB

Then again, it has always been interesting over the years watching some defend companies that never offered retirements in the first place. Unfortunately, the traveling public never cared about that as they continue to bid ticket prices to levels that will never again support it.

 

[D-Bo]

Then again, it has always been interesting over the years watching some defend companies that never offered retirements in the first place. Unfortunately, the traveling public never cared about that as they continue to bid ticket prices to levels that will never again support it.

How soon so many forget that only 5 years ago that it was UAL that had the industry leading contract that brought wages and work rules up for many others. Many of these folks don't realize that even without the pension, UAL still has a B and C PDAP plan (equal to 15% of total earned per year) that is still far superior to most airlines out there. This is after having their asses handed to them in BK. It's most of the LCCs out there that pulled UAL wages down. Not the other way around.

 

[koko nw]

But your right I overstepped with my lame pass gas remark and I apologize.

I loved being in the T-tail mafia and used to bash my tanker bro's a lot. Guess now since I am one I should stick up for the community. We're all brothers in the same fight anyway. No need to apologize, have a Merry Christmas!:beer:

Thanks bro , KSUU converted to the 17's recently and the guy's have been coming up to KTCM for training. To the man, they love the plane BUT they miss the crew rest area on the C-5 which ROCKED, which makes the now routine 24 hr Duty day at least palatable.

Oh yeah 3-4 man crew vs 10-14 doesn't hurt either, being den mother made much easier.

Merry Christmas

 

[Andy]

How soon so many forget that only 5 years ago that it was UAL that had the industry leading contract that brought wages and work rules up for many others. Many of these folks don't realize that even without the pension, UAL still has a B and C PDAP plan (equal to 15% of total earned per year) that is still far superior to most airlines out there. This is after having their asses handed to them in BK. It's most of the LCCs out there that pulled UAL wages down. Not the other way around.

Unfortunately, the downward spiral in pilot wages won't stop for quite a while. New startup LCCs pay far less than legacies, putting further pressure on pilot wages. If legacies can't compete on a CASM basis with startups, they'll be forced to continue to cut wages in order to remain competitive.
And if anyone thinks that increasing the retirement age for pilots will not have a negative effect on pilot wages, they're in for a rude awakening.
I wouldn't be surprised to see another 50% reduction in inflation adjusted wages over the next decade.

 

[Dennis Miller]

It's most of the LCCs out there that pulled UAL wages down. Not the other way around.

The only way wages are pulled down, is when a pilot group allows it to happen. Place blame at anyone you wish, but the one who accepts the wages is the one to accept the blame, and has to live with it. So far only the Nortwest Mechanics are the only airline employee group anywhere that can complain about wages, and they walked over it. Either accept your wage as something you will work for, or stop complaining about the others in this industry. No one is making you work for those wages.

 

[D-Bo]

The only way wages are pulled down, is when a pilot group allows it to happen. Place blame at anyone you wish, but the one who accepts the wages is the one to accept the blame, and has to live with it. So far only the Nortwest Mechanics are the only airline employee group anywhere that can complain about wages, and they walked over it. Either accept your wage as something you will work for, or stop complaining about the others in this industry. No one is making you work for those wages.

Don't know if you work for an LCC or not but the consequence of not coming down to meet the LCC folks could possibly mean going out of business which would make your day probably. You can be happy where you are but things could always be better. We can argue this view all day long. Be happy were you're at and don't try to make it better.

D-Bo

 

[murano]

For any of you folks commuting on Independece, or anyone that has family / neighbors / friends who have purchased tickets for FLYi:

They are shutting down the airline starting January 7th. All pilots and F/As are receiving furlough notices today.

Good luck to all of us.

 

[G4G5]

Sorry to hear that, Good Luck!