UA to charge UAX employees per segment

[Oakum_Boy]

Thread running on another board about UA beginning to charge segment fees on every flight for regional employees. Can someone elaborate which UAX carrier received this circular and will it be 'own metal' as well?

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse..

 

[centralpilot]

From the other board:

UAX to charge regional employees to non-rev?
This was disseminated to my "United Express" airline today. Does this mean UAX is charging all regional employees $20 each segment to non-rev? This should make my commute fun. :-/

Dear Regional Travel Partners,

We sincerely thank all of you for your patience as we transition through the ups
and downs of our new processes and systems.

We appreciate that each of you took the time to speak to us last Friday. We are
very happy to announce that the pass travel policies, including eligible pass
riders, boarding priorities and network availability is not changing for your
co-workers or retirees. As we explained during the call, an analysis was done
and we have a (dollars)7M gap per year to break-even with regional employee
travel. We reviewed various membership opt-in fee models, but were not able
to come up with a reasonable model to cover a (dollars)7M recapture. As a
result, we will move to an all segment fee program and will be discontinuing the
Annual Membership fee program effective May 1.

Those currently on the segment fee program will have no changes, except you will
no longer have to opt in and out each year. Here is a recap for those of you
that are currently on the Annual Membership program.

%95 Employees will no longer need to opt-in or opt-out for the travel program each year
%95 All employees are considered opted-in and will only pay as they go, either pre-paid or payroll deduct, as applicable
%95 Employees will pay the same fees as a UA employee, plus the following service charges.
%95 Initially all base segment fees will be collected via payroll
deduct. We are working on the technology to pre-pay this fee upfront with the other fees. We will have an ETA on this in the 4Q13.

The new base segment fees to be in effect as of May 1:

Base Segment Charges:
Home Airline: (dollars) 0
Other UAX, United Mainline- Domestic1: (dollars) 20
United Mainline - Other International2: (dollars) 50

Service Charges are subject to change. Please refer to United's Flying
Together-Travel intranet information for details on the UA employee fees**.
1 Domestic travel: within the 48 contiguous United States, as well as Alaska
and Hawaii. Domestic travel will also include travel within the Micronesia
Islands and from Guam and/or Saipan to the Micronesia Islands.
2 International travel: will be consider all other travel, including travel
to Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, Europe, Africa,
Asia, Guam, Micronesia and the South Pacific, to be international travel.
** Service Charges vary by distance and class of service used and are in
addition to the Base Segment Charge.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Thanks for that haven't seen anything at XJET yet but I'm sure it'll be out Monday

...I'm really glad they're coming after us to "recapture" their lost 'revenue'. Smegsack will probably pay himself a 7m bonus if I read between the lines correctly.

 

[centralpilot]

Thanks for that haven't seen anything at XJET yet but I'm sure it'll be out Monday

Hopefully that's because it isn't true, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[CRJ puppy]

Some UAX carriers have been paying the fee pee segment ever since the UAL bankruptcy in 2002.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

Way to piss off the troops right before a summer that's already going to be a short-staffed meltdown. Just remember, it doesn't matter how we got here...

 

[CFIT]

Carry lots of gas, as much as you can.

It's the only way to win.........

 

[ex j-41]

I can understand paying $20 for a confirmed seat. Even $40. But $20 for the slight chance to get on a flight so you can go to work?
Airline management has destroyed this industry.
Regional airlines are doomed. They will soon not have any warm bodies to exploit. And somehow it will end up being our fault.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Carry lots of gas, as much as you can.

It's the only way to win.........

How 'bout looking for smooth air down in the low 20's.....

 

[Indy319FA]

No news at TSA either, but if this is true it will be hard on commuters. At least pilots can jumpseat, but FAs that commute will get hammered by this. Will be interesting to see how this affects morale.....

 

[CFIT]

How 'bout looking for smooth air down in the low 20's.....

Perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jetjockey]

So wasting gas accomplishes what? Less fuel for the crew to use? More expensive for your airline? Never understood the end game with this strategy on ANY level.

 

[JumpersAway]

So wasting gas accomplishes what? Less fuel for the crew to use? More expensive for your airline? Never understood the end game with this strategy on ANY level.

Since the mainline partner pays for the fuel, it costs the mainline more cash. It's a back handed way of "stickin' it to tha' man" when he's stabbing you in the back. I think it's funny.

Hey- this isn't affecting jump seaters, is it? The first time I show up to commute and have to pay 20 bucks, the gloves are coming off. I'll be selling my jumpseat to United pilots and donating the money to St. Jude's. I'm absolutely serious!

 

[filejw]

Since the mainline partner pays for the fuel, it costs the mainline more cash. It's a back handed way of "stickin' it to tha' man" when he's stabbing you in the back. I think it's funny.

Hey- this isn't affecting jump seaters, is it? The first time I show up to commute and have to pay 20 bucks, the gloves are coming off. I'll be selling my jumpseat to United pilots and donating the money to St. Jude's. I'm absolutely serious!

That ought to last long.......one call to a J/S coordinator and you will be looking for work.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Employees will pay the same fees as a UA employee, plus the following service charges.

Other UAX, United Mainline- Domestic1: (dollars) 20
United Mainline - Other International2: (dollars) 50

That makes perfect sense.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

OOps,
Just added my own all discretionary descents will be taken immediately(respecting fuel) and performed at 4000FPM to insure that A/C reaches the high fuel burn altitude. While this will by all accounts do nothing to UAL, until they remember that we do have some ability to reduce their operating costs through discretionary efforts, they can buy more gas. And I don't even non rev.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

So wasting gas accomplishes what? Less fuel for the crew to use? More expensive for your airline? Never understood the end game with this strategy on ANY level.

And this is why the pilot profession is now just a job. You forget without pilots, airlines are out of business, immediately. Until airlines realize that the process is about equilibrium, if they decide that they want it all, they can reap the results. Every pilot from day one is taught to conserve resources and to monitor said resources, it goes against the very essence of the pilot DNA to waste said resources and as such management knows this and exploit it. Wanna get even, hit them in the wallet, fuels are aprox 40% of an airlines operating costs, brake wear is significant as well. These are discretionary usages that a pilot can modulate. I will be flying as low as I can, and the first available turn off will be aimed for. If you wanna roll over and stick your bu*t into the air, go for it, for me game is on! My cost index selection is now switched to extreme max.

 

[Ops check good]

And this is why the pilot profession is now just a job. You forget without pilots, airlines are out of business, immediately. Until airlines realize that the process is about equilibrium, if they decide that they want it all, they can reap the results. Every pilot from day one is taught to conserve resources and to monitor said resources, it goes against the very essence of the pilot DNA to waste said resources and as such management knows this and exploit it. Wanna get even, hit them in the wallet, fuels are aprox 40% of an airlines operating costs, brake wear is significant as well. These are discretionary usages that a pilot can modulate. I will be flying as low as I can, and the first available turn off will be aimed for. If you wanna roll over and stick your bu*t into the air, go for it, for me game is on! My cost index selection is now switched to extreme max.

Sorry but I hope somebody figures out who you are and watches you. If you intentionally waste money on the job you should be fired. Pilots are not the only employee at an airline that is important. Shut up and fly the f-ing plane. If it sucks so hard quit.

 

[XPOO]

Sorry but I hope somebody figures out who you are and watches you. If you intentionally waste money on the job you should be fired. Pilots are not the only employee at an airline that is important. Shut up and fly the f-ing plane. If it sucks so hard quit.

Easy, Trigger! You don't want to get the old man started again. But seriously, if they are going to make the pilots and flight attendants pay to commute, then I'll support whatever course of action they choose to go with (with safety paramount, naturally).

 

[trip]

Sorry but I hope somebody figures out who you are and watches you. If you intentionally waste money on the job you should be fired. Pilots are not the only employee at an airline that is important. Shut up and fly the f-ing plane. If it sucks so hard quit.

You need just made TOTD. The pilots have the power to stand-up to management and make a positive difference for all the employees of the company, sadly the only thing management seems to understand is numbers.

 

[Ops check good]

You need just made TOTD. The pilots have the power to stand-up to management and make a positive difference for all the employees of the company, sadly the only thing management seems to understand is numbers.

Step down from your horse. Pilots have no power. And how does wasting money in a world where everything is about the bottom dollar help make a positive difference for all employees? costs go up and guess where the contracts go?

 

[Flyer1015]

And this is why the pilot profession is now just a job. You forget without pilots, airlines are out of business, immediately. Until airlines realize that the process is about equilibrium, if they decide that they want it all, they can reap the results. Every pilot from day one is taught to conserve resources and to monitor said resources, it goes against the very essence of the pilot DNA to waste said resources and as such management knows this and exploit it. Wanna get even, hit them in the wallet, fuels are aprox 40% of an airlines operating costs, brake wear is significant as well. These are discretionary usages that a pilot can modulate. I will be flying as low as I can, and the first available turn off will be aimed for. If you wanna roll over and stick your bu*t into the air, go for it, for me game is on! My cost index selection is now switched to extreme max.

It doesn't matter how you fly (fuel-wise) if you are at a regional. Rest assured, United can easily not renew your contract if certain costs (fuel) keep rising up due to pilot usage "error."

 

[nickgutnick]

Step down from your horse. Pilots have no power. And how does wasting money in a world where everything is about the bottom dollar help make a positive difference for all employees? costs go up and guess where the contracts go?

Settle down over there! What if you had to fly all over the country , begging for a ride, just to get to your crappy job.Then they charge you on top of it. Lighten up Frances!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

It doesn't matter how you fly (fuel-wise) if you are at a regional. Rest assured, United can easily not renew your contract if certain costs (fuel) keep rising up due to pilot usage "error."

I am ok with that. I am ready to move on, to a major or out of the industry altogether.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Sorry but I hope somebody figures out who you are and watches you. If you intentionally waste money on the job you should be fired. Pilots are not the only employee at an airline that is important. Shut up and fly the f-ing plane. If it sucks so hard quit.

Spoken like a true management troll, "shut up and fly the f-ing plane" how 'bout, no.....fly it yourself chimp.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Easy, Trigger! You don't want to get the old man started again. But seriously, if they are going to make the pilots and flight attendants pay to commute, then I'll support whatever course of action they choose to go with (with safety paramount, naturally).

Thanks,
Just add 300 lbs to every release, 1.5 pax get to stay home, UAL will figger it out after awhile, or not, who cares.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Thanks,
Just add 300 lbs to every release, 1.5 pax get to stay home, UAL will figger it out after awhile, or not, who cares.

You know with your mentality, I am willing to bet your charming personality at restaurants has allowed you to enjoy a few snot rockets compliments of the chef...

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You know with your mentality, I am willing to bet your charming personality at restaurants has allowed you to enjoy a few snot rockets compliments of the chef...

Is the avatar a picture of your kids? Or is you and one of your buds?

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Is the avatar a picture of your kids? Or is you and one of your buds?

I'm the fat kid with the buck teeth

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I'm the fat kid with the buck teeth

Ohtay!