UA furlough numbers released

[eaglesview]

Hi Eagles,

I am sorry if you didnt recognize the generalisation. By and far, most of us are done with the major expenditures once we (hopefully) reach 60. Chances are that those furloughed are still having to meet obligations that the 60 year olds no longer remember.

Sincerely,

dane

Your arguemants are good if we were still in the 70's or 80's but as you know we are not. There are an awful lot of pilots out there who had to start over later in their career due to airline failures. There are hundreds of ex TWA, EAL, PAA at United who have not had the idealistic career you are referring to.
It's not a good situation but it is now reality.

 

[Coloaviator]

Here we go again!

Rumor is Skywest is going to offer the J4J deal like they did after 9/11. Apparently United wants to increase CRJ-700 by 13% to cover all of the 737's they are parking. This industry sucks, it aint ever goin to be the same.

 

[T3700]

Amen brother.

I live in Florida and don't want my East and West coasts polluted by yet another Exxon accident.

The Exxon accident was caused by an oil tanker accident. Almost all oil spills are caused by oil tankers. Drilling off the coast of Florida would involve pipelines. There was no oil spilled from Gulf of Mexico oil platforms after Hurricane Katrina. Your insistence on no domestic oil drilling will keep us dependent on imported oil, that arrives via tanker


To all those who think drilling is the answer --> Let me ask you this: What are you going to do after that resource is depleted? What is your plan then?

We have years of oil available. Worldwide, we continue to discover vast new reservoirs of petroleum. The environmentalist left has been crying wolf on the impending end of oil supplies for over 30 years.

You can't just hope somebody will come up with a miracle. You have to make it happen...now.

Exactly right! We have the technology NOW for clean energy (nuclear). We have the technology NOW for a 25% increase in fuel economy without reducing range, vehicle size or comfort (clean diesel technology). Unfortunately, every solution other than a reduced standard of living and more govt control of our lives is unacceptable to the environmental left

If the price of oil suddenly came down dramatically, how soon do you think it would be before all those Hummer and Ford Excursion TV ads would reappear?

God help us if consumers are allowed the freedom to buy the vehicles they want. We, the anointed ones, should be making those decisions for the unwashed masses.


We need a Manhattan-style project started immediately to find a permanent energy source that is unlimited, pollution-free, and will not contribute one bit to Global Warming. In the meantime, we have to conserve like there's no tomorrow and force the automakers to implement drastically improved CAFE standards...within the next 5 years, not 20.

No solution other than less freedom and lower living standards will please the environmental left. There is no such thing as free energy, there will always be environmental costs associated with the production of energy. I don't even want to get started on global warming hysteria

Obama has already proposed such a plan to deal with this problem once and for all. You won't get any of that from union-hating McCain.

Show me one thing in Obama's plan that will produce one kilowatt of energy or one gallon of gas. He proposes nothing but a continuing energy crisis that only more government and higher taxes can solve.


Republicans have no answer except to drill...drill...drill so their buddies and lobbyists in Big Oil can get richer...richer...richer.

Yeah Yeah Yeah, lets throw in the typical class warfare angle. We're gonna get them evil rich people. Problem is we're all rich in their minds.


Progressive leadership is what we need and what will get us through this.
"Progressive leadership", another term for socialism. If we all can't be happy, at least we can all be miserable together.


Vote Obama '08!

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[jester757]

Amen brother.

I live in Florida and don't want my East and West coasts polluted by yet another Exxon accident.

The Exxon accident was caused by an oil tanker accident. Almost all oil spills are caused by oil tankers. Drilling off the coast of Florida would involve pipelines. There was no oil spilled from Gulf of Mexico oil platforms after Hurricane Katrina. Your insistence on no domestic oil drilling will keep us dependent on imported oil, that arrives via tanker


To all those who think drilling is the answer --> Let me ask you this: What are you going to do after that resource is depleted? What is your plan then?

We have years of oil available. Worldwide, we continue to discover vast new reservoirs of petroleum. The environmentalist left has been crying wolf on the impending end of oil supplies for over 30 years.

You can't just hope somebody will come up with a miracle. You have to make it happen...now.

Exactly right! We have the technology NOW for clean energy (nuclear). We have the technology NOW for a 25% increase in fuel economy without reducing range, vehicle size or comfort (clean diesel technology). Unfortunately, every solution other than a reduced standard of living and more govt control of our lives is unacceptable to the environmental left

If the price of oil suddenly came down dramatically, how soon do you think it would be before all those Hummer and Ford Excursion TV ads would reappear?

God help us if consumers are allowed the freedom to buy the vehicles they want. We, the anointed ones, should be making those decisions for the unwashed masses.


We need a Manhattan-style project started immediately to find a permanent energy source that is unlimited, pollution-free, and will not contribute one bit to Global Warming. In the meantime, we have to conserve like there's no tomorrow and force the automakers to implement drastically improved CAFE standards...within the next 5 years, not 20.

No solution other than less freedom and lower living standards will please the environmental left. There is no such thing as free energy, there will always be environmental costs associated with the production of energy. I don't even want to get started on global warming hysteria

Obama has already proposed such a plan to deal with this problem once and for all. You won't get any of that from union-hating McCain.

Show me one thing in Obama's plan that will produce one kilowatt of energy or one gallon of gas. He proposes nothing but a continuing energy crisis that only more government and higher taxes can solve.


Republicans have no answer except to drill...drill...drill so their buddies and lobbyists in Big Oil can get richer...richer...richer.

Yeah Yeah Yeah, lets throw in the typical class warfare angle. We're gonna get them evil rich people. Problem is we're all rich in their minds.


Progressive leadership is what we need and what will get us through this.
"Progressive leadership", another term for socialism. If we all can't be happy, at least we can all be miserable together.


Vote Obama '08!

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AMEN TO THAT!!!

Yeah, Obama...that's the answer to it all. I hear his wife is really nice too... She will have nothing but a good impact on the world with her open and forgiving views of the United States and how "the man" has kept her down year after year.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

1) Some have offered that Ted Turner's land buying spree in the West was not to have nature conservation (i.e., Bison), but rather to secure rights to anything that may be below his 2+ million acres or whatever he has.

2) On the flip, when the 2B furloughed guys/gals get on in years, they'll have the option of flying the extra 5 years to lessen the long-term impact of the current trends. I bet if you snap-shotted a cross section of pilots in favor of Age-65, results would be age-stratified. The only pissed people are those who have to wait 5 more years to upgrade (perhaps), though when the same turn 60, I doubt they'll hang up their wings (so much for principle).

 

[Spud]

Why do people keep referring to nuclear as a way to reduce our dependence on oil?

Only 3 % of our electricity is produced by oil fired plants.

Should be 0% for sure, but nuclear, wind, solar ect.. will not reduce our dependence on oil. Try not to confuse the issue.

 

[TGT]

And destroy the coastline for two years worth of oil? I don't think so. We need to reduce our consumption of oil, not drill for more. There's enough in that ********************hole of a desert for all of us without drilling the in the oceans surrounding the US.

Great, just keep on giving our money to the people that hate us.

By us drilling off the coastline, ANWAR, coal gasification, etc, it is that much less oil we have to import from Nigeria, Venezuala, Russia, Iran, and the likes. Who cares if it takes 10 years from now. We have to start somewhere. Meanwhile, we do need to find alternate sources of energy.

 

[wmuflyguy]

The only pissed people are those who have to wait 5 more years to upgrade (perhaps), though when the same turn 60, I doubt they'll hang up their wings (so much for principle).

We won't have much of a choice, since this rule will keep our (those that have to wait and extra 5 years) overall earnings down.

 

[relief tube]

Destroy the coastline??? How so? Most people wouldn't even notice the rigs IF they could even see them. Drilling for oil WONT "Destroy" the coastlines. That's a tree-hugger~drama queen comment.

Here's someone that lives in a bubble.

I can guarantee that you've never visited the Alabama coast. Visit gulf shores. The rigs are so big it seems you could swim to them. Lets put one in your backyard and see if you bring the drama.

We need to work on using less oil, not just finding more. If we had alternative fuels right now there'd be 950 guys not sweating right now.

good luck UAL

 

[DonVerita]

10, 20 30 years or whatever. Oil will run out. It is a finite resource.

Clean burning, safe, alternative energy is the answer. It is what environmentalists have been clamouring for how many years now? Yet Big Oil and Republican corruption have stifled numerous attempts to rid us of oil dependency. End of story.

 

[TGT]

10, 20 30 years or whatever. Oil will run out. It is a finite resource.

Clean burning, safe, alternative energy is the answer. quote]

But yet you fly an airplane that burns about 1000 gallons an hour. You had better look in the mirror.

 

[NuGuy]

Why do people keep referring to nuclear as a way to reduce our dependence on oil?

Only 3 % of our electricity is produced by oil fired plants.

Should be 0% for sure, but nuclear, wind, solar ect.. will not reduce our dependence on oil. Try not to confuse the issue.

Heyas,

True, but I LOVE it when uninformed greenies start spouting off about the "hydrogen economy".

It usually starts off like this:

Them: We should mandate that cars run on hydrogen

Me: Ok, lets assume for a second all of the considerable engineering (IE cryo storage) and infrastructure (fueling stations) problems were solved tomorrow. Where do we get the hydrogen from?

Them: We get it from water! Duh!

Me: Any idea how much power that takes? And where do we get the power from?

Them: err, power plants.

Me: Any idea what those powerplants run on? Here's a guess...nuclear?

Them: AHHH! Nuclear is BAD!

Me: So what's left? Hmmm, I know, lets mine this magical black rock that seems to be in abundance and burn it.

Them: AHHH! That's coal! Thats BAD!

Me: OK, so what you're saying is that you just want to dig a hole in the ground, and have this magical liquid come bubbling up that has excellent thermodynamic characteristics due to a favorable, high energy molecular structure and is easy to handle, and we can all run our cars on it. Hmmm, I think I'll call your magic liquid "oil".

Them: Fcuk you!

Me: Yea, typical hippie. Instead of going out and learning chemistry, engineering, thermodynamics or, you know, anything that might actually help SOLVE the problem, you'd rather just get your smelly a$$ stoned and chant with you're hairy girlfriend. Now get your busted a$$ 1979 Honda off my lawn.


The moral of this story is that we obey the laws of theromodynamics on this planet. The juice HAS to come from somewhere, and chances are, it's GOING to be in your backyard.

Nu

 

[NuGuy]

10, 20 30 years or whatever. Oil will run out. It is a finite resource.

Clean burning, safe, alternative energy is the answer. quote]

But yet you fly an airplane that burns about 1000 gallons an hour. You had better look in the mirror.

I LOVE flying with people who say this.

"hmmmm, don't quite have the faith of your convictions there, huh greenie? Maybe instead of spreading CO2 and other hydrocarbon waste into the upper atmosphere you should be spending your days planting trees or something. Seems to me you're part of the problem".

Them: Fcuk you! I need to feed my family!

Me: Yup, and so do 6.3 BILLION other people. Go be a forest ranger or something, but stop hassling me about your environmental quackery.

Nu

 

[jtf]

I think the military can help the airlines quite a bit if they decide to push their own alternative fuels program faster. There is quite a bit of easily available coal that can be converted to a liquid jet fuel in mass quantities (like Germany did in WWII). It costs a lot to get the plants built and the process started (I believe the article I read said the government was paying well over $20 a gallon for their test fuels), but the price will come down well below current jet fuel once the plants are built and humming along. It may not be a "green" way of doing things, but it may be a way that the government could help to save the airlines by green lighting the military to use mostly alternate fuel ASAP and getting the FAA to green light the fuel for the airlines also. With demand comes the plants to supply it. Good luck United.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Yes, thanks for mentioning that. The airlines don't come CLOSE to the fuel usage that the Military uses. And much of that wasted. Practice refueling, filing up airplanes full and dumping what's not needed on fighter sorties, afterburning when not needed, long-haul flights just to fulfill "training requirements..." it goes on and on. Anybody who has a military background has seen unbelievable fuel waste.

 

[mushroom]

I hear his wife is really nice too... She will have nothing but a good impact on the world with her open and forgiving views of the United States and how "the man" has kept her down year after year.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/notape

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

I LOVE flying with people who say this.

"hmmmm, don't quite have the faith of your convictions there, huh greenie? Maybe instead of spreading CO2 and other hydrocarbon waste into the upper atmosphere you should be spending your days planting trees or something. Seems to me you're part of the problem".

Them: Fcuk you! I need to feed my family!

Me: Yup, and so do 6.3 BILLION other people. Go be a forest ranger or something, but stop hassling me about your environmental quackery.

Nu

If I quit flying my Airbus, then someone else would. It would make no difference. However, I can make choices that make a difference. From what car (if any) to buy, to recycling, to who I vote for. I find no hypocrisy in that. On a per-seat basis, it's more carbon friendly for me to fly 150 people from NY to CA than have then all drive.

Why don't you lock yourself in your garage with you car running and see what clean air means to you.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/notape

unfortunately, he probably does not even care what the truth is.

 

[General Lee]

10, 20 30 years or whatever. Oil will run out. It is a finite resource.

Clean burning, safe, alternative energy is the answer. It is what environmentalists have been clamouring for how many years now? Yet Big Oil and Republican corruption have stifled numerous attempts to rid us of oil dependency. End of story.

You are incorrect. As I have already stated, the Governor of Montana has stated that they have 800 BILLION barrels worth of oil in the form of shale in Montana alone, and it can be produced into the liquid form for about $50 a barrel. We supposedly import 4 Billion barrels of oil a year, and the 800 billion in Montana alone could supply us for 200 years. The people who are against this right now are the oil companies. The Governor of Montana is for it. Do you know anyone else how uses shale for oil? Canada, right above Montana.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ILUVURBANMYERS]

What is the DOH of the most junior Captain at UAL when all the dust clears?
Go Gators!