PBRstreetgang
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PBRstreetgang,
Not sure the purpose of your quotes from the FARs, but they don't say a TSO'd headset is required, only a boom mike below FL180 and appropriate tie-ins to a CVR. FAR Part 25 describes how a TSO certification is acquired but no establishment of requirements for the use of TSO'd articles.
Again, FARS are what we operate under, BOOM mic. Period , dot end of sentence. Is your BOOM MIC TSO'd? No tie to FARs?
Lessee if there is a definition of a tire in the FARs Chap1(I am sure there is), and the owner of a airline thinks that BFG mud snow tires are a better choice than the Michelin tires that originally were installed on the A/C, its ok to use them? A TSO C-57A approved BOOM Mic is required below 18000 ft MSL, per the FARS.
We are getting a TSO because it's easier than fighting the misinformed and trying to educate the masses that are under the misperception that a TSO means something. A TSO is not a TSO. There are 23 categories of testing just under RTCA/DO-160E. The FAA has no set requirements for which category/categories a TSO applicant must test their article under, e.g., the Bose X was only tested under 9 of the 23 categories. To further confuse the issue, there are numerous sub-categories, e.g., the Bose X is only certified to 15,000 MSL, one of the lowest sub-categories.
Well,
I guess that you might not be as informed either, per TSO-C57A RTCA DO-170 is the TSO specified document used for testing.If a TSO is not a TSO why pursue one?
As far as maintenance, a TSO'd article that isn't maintained under approved maintenance procedures is no longer TSO'd, e.g., sending your altimeter out for repair. If it doesn't come back with the "yellow tag" paperwork, it's no longer a TSO'd article. Likewise, any modification by a third party must be TSO'd. Changing the earseals or adding a headband pad is technically in violation of FAR Part 25, Subpart O. You can see how ridiculous this gets.
Well, again you are wrong, the manufacturers original instructions that came with the TSO article contain the required information for maintenance to insure continued airworthiness. Most instructions for use state there are no user serviceable parts inside. Indeed when my Bose headset needed a new earcup yoke installed they required me to send them the headset for the repair, citing TSO requirements. (Which they repaired at no cost.) Changing ear seals is allowed by Bose, Adding anything else would be in violation of the FARs. This seems ridiculous, but is wisdom its self, how many time have you seen OSH aviation supply parts installed on a certificated A/C? I have seen hundreds of non approved aparts installed on A/C during 20+ years of inspections as an IA. Modification of a type designated A/C would require a form 337 if minor and if major, a FAA field approval.
You mentioned TSO-C57a. That's an old TSO. It was actually accompanied by TSO-C58a, also. Prior to them were TSO's-C57 and C58. The new TSO is C139. It replaces both C57a and C58a. If your air carrier doesn't recognize all those TSOs as being "legal" under their new guidance, someone needs to help them with their homework.
Agreed, TSO c 139 is the current standard, but the FARs still specify C-57 A. C 139 is for new applications.
I believe you are referring to aircraft equipment when you refer to the jumpseat. That's a different deal than your personal headset. The handmikes and headsets installed in the aircraft are listed on the MEL/CDL and accountable by maintenance.
No I wasn't, my reference was to illuminate the numerous questions about the "jumpseat" headset questions, the Jumpseat headset is not listed in our equipment list nor MEL
Mike
Again with the semantics, the hand mic does not satisfy the boom mic requirement, thats why the SOP, and the OPS specs require a HEADSET below 18000 msl for my airline. The FAA issues the ops specs and approves the SOP, that is how the headset gets on the plane. Your contract dictates the hows and whys of the headset issues, ie who provides it, you or the company.
PBR
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