Two-year upgrades at CAL?

[Non Union]

Is that even possible?

I just heard that with the current movement at Continental, upgrades could come as early as two years for the B737 Newark base.

Possible or not likely?

 

[geshields]

Is that even possible?

I just heard that with the current movement at Continental, upgrades could come as early as two years for the B737 Newark base.

Possible or not likely?

Possible. I should be holding it on the next bid(aug 2007). I was Hired July 2005.

 

[Deerkiller]

Possible. I should be holding it on the next bid(aug 2007). I was Hired July 2005.

dont bid it though ...i heard reserve on the 73 in ewr is hell....

I'll bid it for you(Sep 05 hire)

 

[tie1on]

six year pilots are now upgrading. not second year pilots

 

[Pig]

And it could take a year to start training once you hold it on a system bid by the way, so at best we're talking 3 years in reality.

 

[Deerkiller]

six year pilots are now upgrading. not second year pilots

the difference between myself(Sep 05) and a 2001 hire is only 400ish numbers. That includes the 300 or so senior to me that are "newhires." So yes, conceivably two year pilots could hold CA on the next bid. The original question was could it be held, not was it currently being held.

 

[Hutchman]

six year pilots are now upgrading. not second year pilots

What he said above.

 

[RocketRob]

The seniority list has a 3.5 year gap between guys hired 09/01 and 04/05 so the upgrade time will definitely "jump" come next bid when the next group will hold it.

2 years will happen for the mid 05 hires


of course when they go to training..................

 

[venr122]

I am wondering where my upward movement will stop in the right seat, May 05 hire and at 35 percent so far, expecting it to slow down but have been creeping at about 2-3 percent a month. Should be an entertaining couple of bids with deadhead pay coming back, and so much movement between airplanes.

 

[BoilerUP]

Would it be a correct assumption that at 35% seniority in seat/domicile your schedules are pretty good?

 

[venr122]

you would be correct, even with pbs (which reaaly hurts) I get 17 days off and pretty ok trips that I like, though one false move with pbs and its down to 12. (happened to me last month)

 

[BoilerUP]

Yeah I guess I was curious about how PBS is effecting schedules because I've heard many folks don't like it. Are many of the trips on the 737 commutable?

I'm not competitive to apply to CAL but just curious how its working for you folks...

 

[luckytohaveajob]

I'm not competitive to apply to CAL but just curious how its working for you folks...

CAL is hiring the sons and daughters of check airman and senior captains.

I know people who tell me CAL is hiring candidates like UAL did six years ago.

 

[minrest]

CAL is hiring the sons and daughters of check airman and senior captains.

I know people who tell me CAL is hiring candidates like UAL did six years ago.

Not sure what your point here is.?.....

Even if you don't thing you are competitive, it's doesn't hurt to apply. You never know, you may have someone of influence in your jumpseat one day that could get your app in the right hands.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Not sure what your point here is.?.....

Even if you don't thing you are competitive, it's doesn't hurt to apply. You never know, you may have someone of influence in your jumpseat one day that could get your app in the right hands.

Point is CAL is hiring unqualified pilots regularly as favors to those already at the company. The market is full of 5000+ hour pilots with 1000+ Turbine PIC. CAL is hiring 1500 hour flight instructors just like UAL did six years ago.

CAL hires major airline pilots just like Gulfstream hires commuter pilots except CAL doesn't charge $30k like Gulfstream but the quality of hiring is the same.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

six year pilots are now upgrading. not second year pilots

While technically correct your statement is misleading at best. Current bottom captain hired in 2001. However time on property minus furlough two and half years. Last bid had the schlinders list pilots (first new hires at CAL in spring of 05) just 200 numbers out of most junior EWR captain.

Nothing is guaranteed but by all reasonable guesses we will have 2005 new hires holding captain on the Summer bid.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

By the summer bid those spring 2005 pilots should have their 1500 hours and be able to get their ATP with the upgrade.

 

[F16fixer]

How many replies before someone starts a p!ssing contest?

13. That's correct 13. I wonder if that's an average number for people to start bickering back and forth?

I love it!

 

[minrest]

So what then is your definition of "qualified"? I agree there are plenty of pilots out there with more experience but that doesn't make those with less experience unqualified.

Is a guy with 500 hours of prop time in small GA aircraft qualified to fly a 50 seat regional jet? Apparently so. It happens every day and the safety records at the regionals is exceptional.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

qualified is getting hired for an individuals flying skills and experience which includes life experience and background.

unqualified is when you get hired because your daddy got you the job when furloughed major airline pilots sit on the street and can not even get an interview because of all the little kiddy's riding their daddy's coat tails.

are you a kiddy coat tail rider minrest?

 

[Deerkiller]

Point is CAL is hiring unqualified pilots regularly as favors to those already at the company. The market is full of 5000+ hour pilots with 1000+ Turbine PIC. CAL is hiring 1500 hour flight instructors just like UAL did six years ago.

CAL hires major airline pilots just like Gulfstream hires commuter pilots except CAL doesn't charge $30k like Gulfstream but the quality of hiring is the same.

Congrats...you get the idiot post of the day.

Quote your source, regarding the hiring of 1500hr flight instructors. You cant b/c it's not true. Stop being so bitter about not getting a call, dont worry it'll eventually come.

IDIOT

I'm standing by for the standard, "I didnt apply, or get turned down" comment

 

[luckytohaveajob]

I know people at XJT who know people at CAL. I have heard of CAL FO's who are 25 years old, pimp face, little kids.

If a 25 year old started flying at age 16 with high school and college they could hardly have more than 1500 hours. But they are getting hired at CAL because of their daddy's

 

[Deerkiller]

I know people at XJT who know people at CAL. I have heard of CAL FO's who are 25 years old, pimp face, little kids.

If a 25 year old started flying at age 16 with high school and college they could hardly have more than 1500 hours.

Try again. your "i know people who know people" just shows how uninformed you are.

 

[minrest]

A "kiddy coat tail rider". That's a new one.

Hmm, let's see, I have no relative currently or in the past working for CAL and I wasn't an intern. I'll wage that I have more flying experience than you and I'll guess that the reason you were rejected from CAL had to do with your attitude.

As for furloughed pilots from other airlines not getting hired. My new hire class of 12 had two ATA pilots and 3 Independence pilots.

But I forgot, you have that great internal source of information.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

It is not hard to spot a 25 year old pimp face little kid in a CAL uniform--kiddy coat tail rider.

Next time I in IAH, CLE, or EWR I am going to go kiddy coat tail rider spotting. I bet I find a few.

 

[minrest]

It is not hard to spot a 25 year old pimp face little kid in a CAL uniform.

And I'm sure you wish it were you!

 

[BoilerUP]

I know people at XJT who know people at CAL. I have heard of CAL FO's who are 25 years old, pimp face, little kids.

If a 25 year old started flying at age 16 with high school and college they could hardly have more than 1500 hours. But they are getting hired at CAL because of their daddy's.

If you don't like nepotism thats one thing, but why the chip on your shoulder regarding young pilots?

I know a 23 year old that just got hired at NetJets. They require an ATP and 2500 hours total time. He would have applied at 22 (met all the flight time requirements) but had to wait until his 23rd birthday to take his ATP ride.

Its amazing what you can do if you start flying early and instruct and fly charter for 3/4 years while in college...

 

[CAL EWR B737]

By the summer bid those spring 2005 pilots should have their 1500 hours and be able to get their ATP with the upgrade.

Do I smell some jealousy on this thread by several pilots? Look I have been at CAL for twenty years (in three days), flown several different of the aircraft we have or had here (up to the 747), have 5000 hours PIC 737 and over 15,000 hours total time and I wouldn't get hired at CAL today because I never finished my four year degree. Thats the way it is in today's market and I don't take it personally.

Yes we have hired some low time pilots, so does just about every major (I mean Legacy) during every hiring period in the last thirty years. That doesn't mean the majority of those we have hired aren't very qualified pilots. I know I have flown with many of them.

At my former regional (called commuters back in the old days) Pilgrim Airlines I witnessed most of our pilots get hired by majors (we had 80% turn over in one year in 1985). We had pilots get hired by just about every airline AA (the first B scalers the ones who on paper were to never make more than 50% of A scalers), DAL, UAL (the infamous 570) NW, Republic, US AIR, Piedmont, Eastern, TWA ETC. You could see the personality "type" of pilots each airline hired, it was actually kind of funny. American hired for the most part those that fit through the cookie cutter profile, Eastern and TWA seemed to hire our best and most liked pilots, United was mixed etc etc.

Fact is this is the way it has always been and probably always will be. However at least Continental takes referrals from their pilots very seriously and thus we the Continental pilots do have a significant say in who gets hired. Not perfect but the process seems to work well. From my stand point the vast majority of the pilots hired at CAL over the last two years are outstanding. Are there some exceptions to the rule, you betcha but hey no process is perfect!

 

[luckytohaveajob]

And I'm sure you wish it were you!

I look just like Dick Clark--timeless and always youthful.

 

[F16fixer]

"Next time I in IAH, CLE, or EWR I am going to go kiddy coat tail rider spotting. I bet I find a few."


are you Asian?