Two people in Aviation with Kids. Does it work?

[FlyUnited]

She thinks message boards are for (as she calls it) loosers otherwise I'd have her post on here that for the most part she has her way in just about everything. 10 years in January, and we're both still the best of friends and would love nothing more than to spend the rest of our lives together.

Best of wishes to all of you and safe flying.

Peace out.

Well, she is married to a "looser" so what does that say about her? If two losers are married and the best of friends, does that make them winners?

Congrats, glad you're happy. 20 years here.

fyi - Lawyer told me that most states consider "long term marriage" as over 16 years (don't know if this is true, just something I seem to remember). So only 6 more and your wife will be worth MORE than half of your worth. It's good to be the "bloody mother"

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Uh, noone but you thinks that this is what the thread is about. YOU are the one that keeps trying to turn it into that. You should just give it up for crying out loud!

Kids are something you can't just give up... once you have them.... they are there for life...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I completely respect your position because I know that you believe it is the best situation for your family.

Thanks!

Now, in MY opinion, I would NEVER recommend staying home to anyone. It was the most boring years of my life. I am so glad it is almost over and I never actually did all the domesticated things I'm sure you make your wife do. I always had a cook and a cleaning lady and the kids had nannies,

I make my wife do? Why would you say that? I change the oil and paint the third floor windows not because I have great short term disability ins. but I don't have decretionary money to pay hired help. It is the same reason why my wife cooks and washes clothes.

the only thing I did insist on is that my kids study hard in school, that they play hard in sports, and they have fun in life. We laughed a lot and hugged a lot, that's it. That's all I did.

I hope you did... with all that free time what would you?

I left the dirty work for the hired help. And I still found it boring. I loved the kids to pieces but I think that raising kids is not as rewarding as some would like you to believe. I would not recommend it as a fulfilling career.

There is something humbling about cleaning ones own toilet...


Take two guys that have 60's muscle cars.. one guy had all work done by a shop to resotore it and the other guy did all the ork himself.... I say the guy who did all the work himself is going to have more pride, love for the car...

Like you said... the guy who had hired help restore his car...his ownership isn't as rewarding...

I failed at the Mommy of the Year Awards: I didn't sign up for class mom ever for any of them, I let them each pick ONE class trip a year to chaperone, I payed my way out of having to work the snack bar at Little League, I dreaded "back to school night" but armed myself with a nice tall glass a vino beforehand to help get me through the torture, I bought cake for birthdays and all partys were catered, crafts were a no-no.

Sounds like you have/had plenty of money to throw at this problem....

In my world this kind of cash isn't available... I am not so sure its common in the major airlines as well. Do many pilots you fly with have hired help like you do?

I did something right though. One boy at Yale, one applying early action (and no doubt getting it) and another hoping for Northwestern in a couple years. They drive themselves wherever they need to go nowadays, so I'm off that hook too.

Education is important...

My Point: It doesn't take constant "stay home" moms to produce decent kids. I didn't have to clean my house, cook for my family

What about the rest of us that do? Many dual income couples can't afford hired help because allot of the second income goes to child care...

I think your situation is uncommon if not unique...

and sacrifice MY LIFE to ensure that my kids succeeded....they had to do that on their own. I had a job (eventually I went back), their dad had a job and they had a job (school). We took school very seriously and I believe it has a lot to do with the fact that no one was ever just sitting around doing nothing. Everyone worked. Kids were expected to get A's.

A's are good.

Someday my boys will marry and I hope they respect their wives enough to let her decide what is the best course for her. Her children will turn out better if she is happy.

Women that stay at home and raise children, cook, clean, volunteer, etc aren't happy/

I just read in the paper today that at least 2/3 of all divorces are because the woman wants out.

Why does she want out? Are her expectations realistic. Is it becuase men are pigs?

I was watching the Presidential Candidates Wives have a symposium rolleyes: ). Romney's wife catered to the women by saying.. 'We are doing so much: keeping house, working, talking care of elderly parents, volunteering... all while our health is declining...

And men are pigs because they choose to pace themselves... Men choose not to over commit. So when we are sitting around watching the ball game and the wife is "working on something", the man is the jackass for not helping...

I am not surprised when I read what some of the men on this board have posted. It sounds like slavery, not marriage.

Sorry... you don't have a high opinion of women. I think women have the ability to choose between a good person to marry and a slave master.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Kids are something you can't just give up... once you have them.... they are there for life...

Dude! Thanks so much for that piece of information.....if you didn't let us know that, we wouldn't have figured that out.

 

[capt. megadeth]

In my world this kind of cash isn't available... .

That's what happens when you don't send the frau off to work a little......tee hee. :laugh:

Sorry, just couldn't help myself with that one. LOL!

 

[capt. megadeth]

Sorry... you don't have a high opinion of women. I think women have the ability to choose between a good person to marry and a slave master.

Lots of women are also gold diggers looking for someone to "take care" of them.

 

[FlyUnited]

Women that stay at home and raise children, cook, clean, volunteer

I'm sorry, those words make me want to vomit. Does anyone actually WANT to do that? I know one lady who hires someone to do all the cleaning but her husband just doesn't know it, her kids run wild and she has a bit of a pill popping problem but that's no problem because she 'volunteers' to give some very private THINGS to the Dr. who gives her the pills. She does all this while her husband is away at work.

I have a bet with my husband on how long it's going to take before her husband notices (the rest of the block figured it out last summer when she started dressing sexy all the time) He thought it was for him.....duh!

My question to the gentlemen on this board: if you have a daughter who seems to be quite bright, what are you going to tell her when she grows up? Are you going to say, "Darling, I think it's time for you to spread those legs and forget about your plans. Your life is simply going to be about raising the babies now. Life was fun but now your choices are over, you are going to put yourself secondary to everyone in your family and you will cook and clean up after them. Their needs will become your biggest focus. Enjoy it, this is why you were put on the planet, to pander to men and their children....enjoy cleaning out our toilets.

Please let us know how that conversation goes, it should be a hoot. :cartman:

 

[capt. megadeth]

FlyUnited....
That's probably most men's dream.....they hate feminism because we actually now have some control over our lives vs. being their little slaves. They hate it. I mean, even in the cockpit, some guys have trouble having a female as a captain because God forbid they take orders from a woman. Some guys just have issues.

Also, your last post reminded me of a Russian bride infomercial I saw a few years ago. It had all these Russian chicks on there in bikinis talking about themselves and how they want to find a husband in the states. Well, one is like "My name is Ivanka (or whatever). I love to cook and clean." LOL! YEAH RIGHT! It was hilarious!

 

[FlyUnited]

What she was REALLY saying, " I like to cook, clean, (marry you, get a green card, have a baby, take you for half your money, then find someone who is actually more intellectually and sexually more my equal)

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'm sorry, those words make me want to vomit.

Does anyone actually WANT to do that?

Well at least you have hired help to clean up your vomit. I am not sure many people want to do it... Again.. you fail to comprehend my post all while clinging onto a sliver of discontent and running with it...

I think many men and women make the easier choice of just doing it. They have to cook and clean thier own houses. If they don't then it won't get done. Not everyone can have hired help...

My question to the gentlemen on this board: if you have a daughter who seems to be quite bright, what are you going to tell her when she grows up?

Do you understand free will? Trust. Character building? Empathy?

I am not going to tell her anything. She is grown up. She will be her own person who can make choices on her own. Don't you think women can make choices on their own? Are they not smart enough?

Are you going to say, "Darling, I think it's time for you to spread those legs and forget about your plans. Your life is simply going to be about raising the babies now. Life was fun but now your choices are over, you are going to put yourself secondary to everyone in your family and you will cook and clean up after them. Their needs will become your biggest focus. Enjoy it, this is why you were put on the planet, to pander to men and their children....enjoy cleaning out our toilets.

Why? you do the same thing to your hired help.. you just pay them... Someone told thier little girl to go find a nice rich women who will pay you to clean... and she did and you pay her...

Besides, women have more choice now and life is still too demanding difficult etc...

FLYUAL... you have to make men into controlling slave drivers.... why? Because in your house hired help does all the sh*t jobs. On the one hand the hired help in your house may be second class citizens with very little respect from your family.. on the hand they are freinds to your family. Either way.. no one in your tight family circle does sh*t work. So if YOU were to cook or clean it would be demeaning and that would define you in a lower class than your family.

However, not all respectable women can have hired help... so in your mind if, although illogically, a woman is cooking and cleaning then its because she is being driven by a controlling male pig. All one has to do is read your quote above.

That's probably most men's dream.....they hate feminism because we actually now have some control over our lives vs. being their little slaves.

Feminism is about power.. not equality. If you look at who the feminist are and thier agenda you will see the black and latino women still doing the same ol' sh*t jobs. The feminist are not trying lift all women up. No, feminism is about white rich girls carving out thier cake and eating it too. Feminism is about white women hiring blacks and latino's to scrub their toilets and raise thier kids.

The feminist have rejected children, and all non white women...

I wouldn't say women have more control, because women have more choices than before and they still can't get a handle on it... seems like they are now over burdened, stress out and unhappy. Whereas, in the 1950s they were just unhappy.

They hate it. I mean, even in the cockpit, some guys have trouble having a female as a captain because God forbid they take orders from a woman. Some guys just have issues.

Your only real first hand experience are guys that flew with you... have you considered that gender doesn't have much to do with it and its more character and personality?

What she was REALLY saying, " I like to cook, clean, (marry you, get a green card, have a baby, take you for half your money, then find someone who is actually more intellectually and sexually more my equal)

I'd like to think if you and Mega were 20 year girls in Russia with a bleak future what you'd be willing to do... you'd proabaly clean a toilet and allot more to live in anytown, usa.... instead why not be grateful for what you got....and have empathy for those who do not....

 

[FlyUnited]

So, all these pages of posts you have told us that it was the women's job to clean the house and raise the children but when it comes to YOUR daughter, she has 'free will' when it comes to the matter. How interesting that you feel that way Rez.

I don't think ALL women staying home, cleaning and raising children, are controlled by male pigs...not even close. In fact, I believe many have chosen this lifestyle and are very much happy. My problem is with the men who come here and say that this is the ONLY option for women and any woman who chooses differently is not a good or fit mother.

By the way, who said anything about the race of the help in my home? To add to that, who even said if they were female? You are making a lot of assumptions. For all you know, I may have Jacque Cousteau coming over to cook a Fish Fry every night.

As for your comment about the Russian girls - too funny.....have these guys no shame? Either way, these girls are NOT attracted to these men, just their wallets. So the men are taking advantage of their being poor and in the most disgusting manner I can think of. Sliming their fat bodies all over them.. GROSS! Good thing the courts always take half his money away later (and give it to her) for his being a pig now.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So, all these pages of posts you have told us that it was the women's job to clean the house and raise the children but when it comes to YOUR daughter, she has 'free will' when it comes to the matter. How interesting that you feel that way Rez.

Sorry..once again you are trying to spin what I've said... I never said it is a womans job to clean house. Don't confuse me with other posters. In fact the last set of days off I cooked and cleaned.

Nonetheless, if a women chooses to marry and be a domestic homemaker which includes cooking and cleaning.....is that a problem? It seems that it is for you becuase you cannot grasp the concept. Why would a women do this? Therefore you make men out to be controlling pigs that force women to cook and clean.

If my daughter wants to be a homemaker that is her choice. In addition, what would I have to gain by forcing or directing my daughter to marry a patriarch?


What I have said on this thread and I have posted news articles to support it..... is.... women try and do too much. They don't choose. They give in to societies demands and then get fustrated and overwhelmed when it is too much. And it is...

All I advocate is that women choose one "job" at a time: profession or mother. They can do both really well....one at a time. And lets be clear.. a man can't do both at the same time, either. So put that in your hate machine and see what kid of answer comes out.

I don't think ALL women staying home, cleaning and raising children, are controlled by male pigs...not even close. In fact, I believe many have chosen this lifestyle and are very much happy. My problem is with the men who come here and say that this is the ONLY option for women and any woman who chooses differently is not a good or fit mother.

See me above reply to your quote or actually read my posts on this thread...

By the way, who said anything about the race of the help in my home? To add to that, who even said if they were female? You are making a lot of assumptions. For all you know, I may have Jacque Cousteau coming over to cook a Fish Fry every night.

Ok... what is the demographic of the hired help at your house?

1. Race
2. gender
3. economic status
4. legal status

As for your comment about the Russian girls - too funny.....have these guys no shame?

I don't know.... I am sure they don't have the skill set to bag an attractive chick like yourself so they go wife shopping overseas...

Either way, these girls are NOT attracted to these men, just their wallets.

No sh*t.... thier future is bleak... they are looking to get out...

So the men are taking advantage of their being poor and in the most disgusting manner I can think of.

maybe... they both have somethig to offer each other... have you ever considered what your life would be if you born on the dirt streets of a third world country? I don't think you'd be flying jets.

Sliming their fat bodies all over them.. GROSS! Good thing the courts always take half his money away later (and give it to her) for his being a pig now.

You don't seem to be judging both genders equally.



Question for you.... is your housholds income from UAL only? Or does your husband work? And if yes then it would appear you need his income to live the lifestyle you lead... and if so...then it looks like you got a nice quid pro quo going on....

 

[capt. megadeth]

I'd like to think if you and Mega were 20 year girls in Russia with a bleak future what you'd be willing to do... you'd proabaly clean a toilet and allot more to live in anytown, usa.... instead why not be grateful for what you got....and have empathy for those who do not....

Uh, hey sugarplum....my mom and I came from the Eastern block (yes, I was born there and I go back regularly) so don't try to "show me the light", k? My mom cleaned nasty hotel rooms when she first came here and many times took me with her...my father was off drinking himself to death...so excuse me for not wanting to be a little house wifey and wanting to take care of myself. If my mom had done the same, she might not be working her a$$ off doing $hit jobs to this day (which is straight from her mouth), but I suppose that's her fault for not "marrying right", eh? My comment had nothing to do with a lack of empathy....it had to do with women lying about loving to cook and clean and stupid men actually buying that bull$hit.

 

[§kyye Candy]

why the hostility?

My question to the gentlemen on this board: if you have a daughter who seems to be quite bright, what are you going to tell her when she grows up? Are you going to say, "Darling, I think it's time for you to spread those legs and forget about your plans. Your life is simply going to be about raising the babies now. Life was fun but now your choices are over, you are going to put yourself secondary to everyone in your family and you will cook and clean up after them. Their needs will become your biggest focus. Enjoy it, this is why you were put on the planet, to pander to men and their children....enjoy cleaning out our toilets.

Please let us know how that conversation goes, it should be a hoot. :cartman:

I guess this was for the guys, but what the heck...

I have to say, most women (or men for that matter) don't do all the cleaning/cooking, etc. because it's so fantastic ~ but how many of us can afford to hire everything out? Not many.

As for the feminist point of view, you know what's sad? Feminism is always attacking its own ~ it doesn't provide women with SUPPORT or a CHOICE to work or stay home, it makes yet another demand of us.

So what happens, now that our economy demands that we have a dual income household, to those of us who truly need to be at home? I will tell you, I had planned to return to work after the kids were in school fulltime, but after having a special needs child I probably will not be able to do so. Now what? Am I the anti-feminist for being at home scrubbing the toilet? a) that's insulting, b) I love my family and wouldn't have it any other way than to be there for my kids (someone has to be their advocate!) and what I truly don't get is people who are afraid to do the work required of the job ~ that's what we signed up for! ~ to say nothing of someone who gets on her high horse because someone else DOES do what's required and then attempts to make the person of lesser means feel bad about herself - of course, this "high horse" mentality really is just severe insecurity, but that's another thread...

Anyway, why all the hostility toward stay-at-home moms? What's wrong, are we making you look bad? Feeling guilty? The kids holding you to the fire on your decisions? That will happen.

FlyUnited, I hope your daughter does some really good genetic planning and doesn't wind up getting more than she is willing or ready to take on; she sounds spoiled. So do you. It isn't as if we have a choice always, you know.

For the record, my other half never MAKES me do anything... he knows better (and wouldn't want to anyway.)

Best of luck.

 

[HA25]

the sound of crickets is deafening!

Good post Candy.. My wife wasn't made to do anything, to the contrary, I'm made to support her and the kids financially and if I leave her, she can land on her own feet with a masters degree from UCLA and 1/2 our estate.