Two MKE Air Cargo Carrier Inc. Shorts Collide in WI.

[BlueEagle19]

First of all, my condolences to the family's and friends.
I heard the rumor that the 2nd crew could potentially face 3 counts of manslaughter??
Hope thats not true....

 

[Limeyflyer]

that news footage is crazy, At least the one made it in as safe as possible

 

[El Guapo]

N-number

The news clip shows the airplane that made it back safely as N367AC, I personally have roughly 500 hours in that plane alone. It was one of the former Quantas birds. Bless those that didn't make it.

 

[414Flyer]

The news clip shows the airplane that made it back safely as N367AC, I personally have roughly 500 hours in that plane alone. It was one of the former Quantas birds. Bless those that didn't make it.

That does not look correct from the photo i saw.

 

[MAJIC9]

tail numbers

N3735w, A Shorts Sd3-60-100 Acft Crashed And Burned After A Midair
Collision With Another Acft, N372ac, A Shorts Sd3-60, Three Persons In
N3735w Were Fatally Injured, N372ac Landed Without Incident, 14 Ssw Of
Juneau, Wi

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

I worked there for about 3 years and I can say that the guy flying the plane that went down is one of the finest ACC has. My prayers are with the families.

On another note, I know it was one of the quantis 360's but I did'nt think it was 367AC. I've got alot of time in that one too. I work next door now for Airwilly. I have noticed when I am at our MKE hangar that they bought more Aussie 360's

 

[FN FAL]

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/feb06/crash2020706.jpg

There's a picture of the one that landed at UNU.



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Planes were circling each other at time of collision

By LARRY SANDLER and TOM HELD


Posted: Feb. 6, 2006

Juneau - The two cargo planes that collided near Watertown were circling and taking pictures of each other on a final shakedown flight before a scheduled Monday departure for service in Iraq, a federal transportation official said.

Its landing gear apparently disabled by the midair collision, this Air Cargo Carriers plane limped to the Dodge County Airport and landed on its belly.


The Shorts 360 planes, owned by Milwaukee-based Air Cargo Carriers Inc., had been fitted recently with extended-range fuel systems for the work in Iraq, said Todd Fox, a National Transportation Safety Board investigator. Their pending mission in Iraq was part of a contract with the U.S. Defense Department.

The planes left Mitchell International Airport around 4 p.m. Sunday. The flights were intended as a final check of those systems and a picture-taking opportunity.

Before the crash, the crews had been taking still and video pictures as one of the planes circled the other, Fox told reporters at the Dodge County Airport in Juneau. Fox said he did not know how the company had planned to use the pictures.

As one of the planes circled, it collided with the other plane.
The circling craft was disabled and crashed, killing Robert Chabot, 25, of Plano, Texas; Todd Hagan, 42, of Essex Junction, Vt.; and his wife, Tracy Marshall Hagan, 37.

Chabot had worked for Air Cargo Carriers for about three years, according to his sister, Elizabeth Chabot.

After the collision, the other damaged plane limped roughly 20 miles to the Dodge County Airport. With its landing gear apparently disabled by the crash, the plane skidded onto a runway there on its belly around 5:30 p.m. All three people on board survived without injury, authorities said.

The left wing was heavily damaged, Fox said, but he declined to comment on whether that was the spot hit by the other aircraft.

Dodge County Sheriff Todd Nehls identified the survivors as Andrew Lambert, 26, of Chesapeake, Va.; Timothy Vanderploeg, 23, of Allegan, Mich.; and Rudy Nikolao, 52, of Kingston, Va.

Fox said the pilots, co-pilots and passengers had expected to be airborne for up to two hours.

The pictures taken by the surviving air crew now will become evidence in the NTSB investigation, along with Federal Aviation Administration radar data, statements from the survivors and the two aircraft themselves, Fox said. It could take weeks or months to determine the cause of the accident.

 

[FN FAL]

I heard the rumor that the 2nd crew could potentially face 3 counts of manslaughter??

A little bit early for that speculation, aint it?

You face the potential for getting criminally charged in car accident, a sea-doo accident, or while riding your bicycle. Thank legislators for that.

 

[Say Again Over]

Condolences to friends and family, unfortunately flying in formation is better left to the professionals. Didn't the makers of the turbine DC-3 have a similar accident?

 

[FlightTraker]

That is correct, back in 1997 Basler Turbo Conversions of Oshkosh had a mid-air between a photo aircraft and a DC-3. The crash killed Warren Basler.


FlightTraker

 

[FN FAL]

The crash killed Warren Basler.

So the other two pilots in that crash had life everlasting? Cool.

 

[flymeach]

R.I.P Chabot, you loved what you did and did it till the end.

 

[Sim Sweat]

... he told me that it had no auto pilot and how he was getting sick of always hand flying such a bohemeth.

With a couple thousand SD3-60 hours, I have a very different perception. No autopilot, not a servo in the airframe anywhere, but an aircraft that was a lot of fun to fly, would take a lot of punishment, and would make you a dang good pilot.

Tragic to lose a crew this way. Condolences to all.

I never said "dang" in my life!!

 

[Wankel7]

Offical statment is up:

www.aircar.com

Wankel

 

[Say Again Over]

Nice company statement, can anyone give any details about the damage on the surviving aircraft.

 

[nimtz]

I'm speechless.

I flew with Todd many years ago when I was extremely wet behind the ears in the Shed. He was a top notch captain and an extraordinarly nice guy. I remember talking to him over ATC a few years ago after recognizing him climbing out of ROC. Amazing just how small this community ends up being. My deepest sympathies go out to families of the lost. You guys speculating away will have no clue how bad you are acting until the day comes when it is someone you know who fate takes away.

 

[Say Again Over]

Speculation and information (rumors) is what this forum is all about, we here are all aviators, it could have been anyone of us on any given day, we intend no disrespect, we appreciate you sharing your personal feelings about the flight crew involved.

 

[FN FAL]

Speculation and information (rumors) is what this forum is all about, we here are all aviators, it could have been anyone of us on any given day, we intend no disrespect, we appreciate you sharing your personal feelings about the flight crew involved.

I guess we have to wait until a plane full of jet fuel crashes into one of our friend's or relative's houses, before we can comment on what we read about in the news.

 

[nimtz]

Speculation and information (rumors) is what this forum is all about, we here are all aviators, it could have been anyone of us on any given day, we intend no disrespect, we appreciate you sharing your personal feelings about the flight crew involved.

I'm sure individuals like you mean no disrespect. However there are plenty of blowhards on here who think their brains are vast pools of aviation knowledge that give them the right to preach down on any accident. Those are the ones who I am speaking towards.
After losing one of my best friends to an accident (almost five years to the day) I get pretty annoyed at the "what were they doing there" types running their yaps when the wreckage has barely been cleared.

 

[FN FAL]

I'm sure individuals like you mean no disrespect. However there are plenty of blowhards on here who think their brains are vast pools of aviation knowledge that give them the right to preach down on any accident. Those are the ones who I am speaking towards.
After losing one of my best friends to an accident (almost five years to the day) I get pretty annoyed at the "what were they doing there" types running their yaps when the wreckage has barely been cleared.

Dude, nobody on this thread has speculated on anything, other than the smartass making the criminal charge statement.