Two MKE Air Cargo Carrier Inc. Shorts Collide in WI.

[FN FAL]

One down and destroyed, 3 souls on board. The other plane landed at an airport safely.

Just on the television.

Sad to see this kind of news, best wishes to the loved ones of the people on board.

 

[Sticky]

didn't they have a mid-air a few years ago? What were three people doing in the one aircraft? Don't tell me it was formation...

I hope the fellow that posts here was not involved.

RIP

 

[FN FAL]

didn't they have a mid-air a few years ago? What were three people doing in the one aircraft? Don't tell me it was formation...

I hope the fellow that posts here was not involved.

RIP

I hate wishing it wasn't someone we know, because it's like wishing it on someone we don't know. I but I understand what you mean...

 

[Sticky]

very sad to see. I hate to think of the guys that run off to fly this stuff just to grab a few hundred hours of multi.

 

[FN FAL]

very sad to see. I hate to think of the guys that run off to fly this stuff just to grab a few hundred hours of multi.

Whether you're doing it to put beans and biscuits on the table or build hours, it hits pretty close to home when it's guys you bump elbows with regularly in your area.

It's also got to be even more of bad thing for the guys flying the other plane...good luck to them as well as this cannot be the best day in the air for them.

 

[mcjohn]

I just met a guy at our FBO flying the Short for ACC and he said that he didn't want to upgrade because of some kind of undesirable contract or something. That plane was a HUGE box and he told me that it had no auto pilot and how he was getting sick of always hand flying such a bohemeth.

 

[Wankel7]

I will not elaborate on any of the information I have, but none of theese comments are warrented in this situation. Please, in the memory of 2 of my former colleagues, keep silent.

Well said.

May God rest their souls.

 

[DenverDude2002]

Hey wankel was that one of yours? arent uou up there right now?

 

[Sticky]

What a moronic comment, you need to shut up right now.

I'm sorry for your loss tonight. However, there is nothing I said that was inappropriate.

 

[dsee8driver]

I actually spoke to 2 of ACC pilots this week when they interviewed here in Dayton. One was the CP. God bless the families.....

 

[Limeyflyer]

I heard a United pilot talking to one of the aircraft on 121.5 yesterday evening, All I got out of it, from where I was flying ,was the united guy replying about Dodge county airport Wi and VFR. I guess he was talking to the one that made it. I was over YQG, the United guy was North of Flint. Pray for those on board the one that was lost.

 

[Wankel7]

I'm sorry for your loss tonight. However, there is nothing I said that was inappropriate.

Are you serious?

very sad to see. I hate to think of the guys that run off to fly this stuff just to grab a few hundred hours of multi.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Wankel

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Hey all,

My condolences. I worked there about 5 and a half years ago. Could someone PM me the names of the crew if it was any of the "old-timers"?

As an aside. This is not a fly by night operation. When I was there it was a well run operation and an outstanding place to build experience. Don't assume just because it is a freight company that it's a shipshod operation.

 

[machaf]

http://www.todaystmj4.com/_content/news/topstories/story_1388.asp

video of the planes.

 

[troy]

God bless to the families.

 

[FN FAL]

didn't they have a mid-air a few years ago?

No, ACC did not have another mid-air a few years ago. The only other incident mentioned by the Milwaukee Journal is a runway overrun in Canada a few years back. M. Journal said both pilots were critically injured.

 

[Lostdog65]

Having flown the SD3 it can be akin to pig wrestling when it comes to turns and such. That said, with or without an autopilot, I found it a fun plane to fly. Sure, it's ugly but it's slow!

My condolences to the family's of those who have suffered a loss. My prayers are for you and yours.

Eric

 

[FN FAL]

The Jefferson County coroner said that the three people killed in a collision were two men and a woman. Coroner Patrick Theder said that the victims were from outside Wisconsin. The victims were identified as Robert Chabot, 25, from Texas, and a married couple -- Todd Hagen, 42, and Tracy Marshall-Hagen, 37 -- from Essex Junction, Vt., WISC-TV reported.


The crash occurred when one of the two fixed-wing cargo planes -- know as short 360s -- collided with the other, broke apart and slammed into a farm field near Watertown, killing all three aboard.


The other plane was damaged, but managed to fly to the Dodge County Airport in Juneau. The three aboard that craft escaped injury.


Jeff Baum, the president of Wisconsin Aviation in Watertown, said that the planes had taken off from Milwaukee's Mitchell International Airport and were supposed to land back at Mitchell.


The National Transportation Safety Board investigators said that the planes were making a final test run before heading into service in Iraq on defense contract, WISC-TV reported.


NTSB officials said that the planes were getting ready to go to Iraq and were checking some new fuel tanks that had been added for the long flight...
"Mission was a final check of the fuel systems and all other systems on board the airplane -- and this information is being relayed by the company to us -- before they were supposed to be dispatched for their journey across the Atlantic Ocean," said Todd Fox, NTSB investigator from the West Chicago Field Office.


They were just scheduled to fly for a couple hours -- from Milwaukee to north of Madison and back. The planes were also photographing one another from close range when the plane that eventually crashed and turned sharply into the other plane, WISC-TV reported.


Investigators didn't saying why the crews were taking the pictures, but those photos and some video from the plane that landed safely have been sent to the NTSB's national office for further analysis, WISC-TV reported.
The NTSB is expected to have a preliminary report on the crash by week's end.

......

 

[luvz2fli]

Our thoughts and prayers go out to those involved.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

anyone know the N numbers, ive gots some stick time on a few of ACC SD3's.

 

[BlueEagle19]

First of all, my condolences to the family's and friends.
I heard the rumor that the 2nd crew could potentially face 3 counts of manslaughter??
Hope thats not true....

 

[Limeyflyer]

that news footage is crazy, At least the one made it in as safe as possible

 

[El Guapo]

N-number

The news clip shows the airplane that made it back safely as N367AC, I personally have roughly 500 hours in that plane alone. It was one of the former Quantas birds. Bless those that didn't make it.

 

[414Flyer]

The news clip shows the airplane that made it back safely as N367AC, I personally have roughly 500 hours in that plane alone. It was one of the former Quantas birds. Bless those that didn't make it.

That does not look correct from the photo i saw.

 

[MAJIC9]

tail numbers

N3735w, A Shorts Sd3-60-100 Acft Crashed And Burned After A Midair
Collision With Another Acft, N372ac, A Shorts Sd3-60, Three Persons In
N3735w Were Fatally Injured, N372ac Landed Without Incident, 14 Ssw Of
Juneau, Wi

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

I worked there for about 3 years and I can say that the guy flying the plane that went down is one of the finest ACC has. My prayers are with the families.

On another note, I know it was one of the quantis 360's but I did'nt think it was 367AC. I've got alot of time in that one too. I work next door now for Airwilly. I have noticed when I am at our MKE hangar that they bought more Aussie 360's

 

[FN FAL]

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/feb06/crash2020706.jpg

There's a picture of the one that landed at UNU.



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Planes were circling each other at time of collision

By LARRY SANDLER and TOM HELD


Posted: Feb. 6, 2006

Juneau - The two cargo planes that collided near Watertown were circling and taking pictures of each other on a final shakedown flight before a scheduled Monday departure for service in Iraq, a federal transportation official said.

Its landing gear apparently disabled by the midair collision, this Air Cargo Carriers plane limped to the Dodge County Airport and landed on its belly.


The Shorts 360 planes, owned by Milwaukee-based Air Cargo Carriers Inc., had been fitted recently with extended-range fuel systems for the work in Iraq, said Todd Fox, a National Transportation Safety Board investigator. Their pending mission in Iraq was part of a contract with the U.S. Defense Department.

The planes left Mitchell International Airport around 4 p.m. Sunday. The flights were intended as a final check of those systems and a picture-taking opportunity.

Before the crash, the crews had been taking still and video pictures as one of the planes circled the other, Fox told reporters at the Dodge County Airport in Juneau. Fox said he did not know how the company had planned to use the pictures.

As one of the planes circled, it collided with the other plane.
The circling craft was disabled and crashed, killing Robert Chabot, 25, of Plano, Texas; Todd Hagan, 42, of Essex Junction, Vt.; and his wife, Tracy Marshall Hagan, 37.

Chabot had worked for Air Cargo Carriers for about three years, according to his sister, Elizabeth Chabot.

After the collision, the other damaged plane limped roughly 20 miles to the Dodge County Airport. With its landing gear apparently disabled by the crash, the plane skidded onto a runway there on its belly around 5:30 p.m. All three people on board survived without injury, authorities said.

The left wing was heavily damaged, Fox said, but he declined to comment on whether that was the spot hit by the other aircraft.

Dodge County Sheriff Todd Nehls identified the survivors as Andrew Lambert, 26, of Chesapeake, Va.; Timothy Vanderploeg, 23, of Allegan, Mich.; and Rudy Nikolao, 52, of Kingston, Va.

Fox said the pilots, co-pilots and passengers had expected to be airborne for up to two hours.

The pictures taken by the surviving air crew now will become evidence in the NTSB investigation, along with Federal Aviation Administration radar data, statements from the survivors and the two aircraft themselves, Fox said. It could take weeks or months to determine the cause of the accident.

 

[FN FAL]

I heard the rumor that the 2nd crew could potentially face 3 counts of manslaughter??

A little bit early for that speculation, aint it?

You face the potential for getting criminally charged in car accident, a sea-doo accident, or while riding your bicycle. Thank legislators for that.

 

[Say Again Over]

Condolences to friends and family, unfortunately flying in formation is better left to the professionals. Didn't the makers of the turbine DC-3 have a similar accident?

 

[FlightTraker]

That is correct, back in 1997 Basler Turbo Conversions of Oshkosh had a mid-air between a photo aircraft and a DC-3. The crash killed Warren Basler.


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