TWA v. ALPA Suit Going To Trial

[C-150ETOPS]

I was just poking fun but you guys DO taxi slow enough for the tires to get flat spots!

I left the gate tied with you guys the other day and was in the air raising the gear while you guys were half way to the runway. it was actually pretty funny.

Do you guys ride the brakes to go that slow? Seriously.

Gup

I just wrote a nice letter to you with my response, written with a feather qull pen in black ink I freshly churned this morning. The USPS should deliver it to you sometime. Let me know when you get it. Who needs email?

 

[aa73]

Gup, no riding the brakes. Thrust levers up just to break away, accelerate to a maximum of 8 knots, then back to idle until speed falls off to 5kts. Repeat as necessary. Any runway/departure change requires a full stop to safely complete new takeoff briefing. Likewise when waiting for our numbers. It is all about safety these days, our company is cracking down on us for stuff you would never believe!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Can't beat ALPA representation, can ya?...............

The only thing worse than ALPA representation is......



















No representation, al la Skywest.
PBR

 

[swa737-700]

Gup, no riding the brakes. Thrust levers up just to break away, accelerate to a maximum of 8 knots, then back to idle until speed falls off to 5kts. Repeat as necessary. Any runway/departure change requires a full stop to safely complete new takeoff briefing. Likewise when waiting for our numbers. It is all about safety these days, our company is cracking down on us for stuff you would never believe!

aa73,

It's not all about you. Get out of the way and take your fight with your (fill in the blank) management to the table and off the taxiway. I do hope you get a great contract, but please don't take it out on the rest of the industry.

You can't tell me you are not riding the brakes on the way to 25R in Vegas. I hope you do not need to actually use your brakes during an aborted takeoff...it will be ugly for the unsuspecting passengers and aa...and the lawyers will have a hayday. It will be the first thing investigated.

 

[TWA Dude]

TWA Dude,

I'm offering an "opinion"?

Yes, that's right. And I'm not going to offer any opinion of mine because it's irrelevant. Picture for a moment if TWA and APA merger committee members were arguing in front of an arbitrator. His job would be to analyze the unique circumstances of this merger alone like aircraft delivery schedules, fleet sizes, salaries, international flying, and the like. That's what arbitrators do. If the APA comes and says, "But every time previously AA did ..." his answer would be so what? TWA isn't Reno or Air Cal.

Plus you didn't mention 9/11 once. No other event in history changed the industry so radically so quickly. To look at the downsizing that occurred after 9/11 and say 'I told you so' is very disingenuous.

 

[aa73]

aa73,

It's not all about you. Get out of the way and take your fight with your (fill in the blank) management to the table and off the taxiway. I do hope you get a great contract, but please don't take it out on the rest of the industry.

You can't tell me you are not riding the brakes on the way to 25R in Vegas. I hope you do not need to actually use your brakes during an aborted takeoff...it will be ugly for the unsuspecting passengers and aa...and the lawyers will have a hayday. It will be the first thing investigated.

Sorry bro, I is just an F/O, not up to me how slow the CA wants to taxi. They've been here long enough to realize the corner our management has us backed into. Combine that with the industry's longest Before T/O check list along with NEVER getting our numbers at the gate, ALWAYS on taxi out - and you can see why we taxi slow. Safety first!

And no, we don't ride the brakes. Ever heard of brake temps? From what I've seen, most CA's finesse the thrust levers to maintain between 5-10 kts of taxi speed, as specified in the AIM!! I know that's a foreign concept to you corn dogs.

Like I said, ask to get around us and we will gladly give way!

 

[C-150ETOPS]

aa73,

It's not all about you. Get out of the way and take your fight with your (fill in the blank) management to the table and off the taxiway. I do hope you get a great contract, but please don't take it out on the rest of the industry.

You can't tell me you are not riding the brakes on the way to 25R in Vegas. I hope you do not need to actually use your brakes during an aborted takeoff...it will be ugly for the unsuspecting passengers and aa...and the lawyers will have a hayday. It will be the first thing investigated.

My guess now is your not joking. If your still unhappy, as are we, write your Senators and Representative about the NMB purposely stalling.

Is it downhill to LAS 25R? I don't go there but I know that if it's flat, no AA 73 driver is touching the brakes at idle power. The pigs aren't a Lear 20 series.

 

[GuppyWN]

Gup, no riding the brakes. Thrust levers up just to break away, accelerate to a maximum of 8 knots, then back to idle until speed falls off to 5kts. Repeat as necessary. Any runway/departure change requires a full stop to safely complete new takeoff briefing. Likewise when waiting for our numbers. It is all about safety these days, our company is cracking down on us for stuff you would never believe!

I knew you were slow but I didn't seriously think you'd taxi at 5 knots! :laugh:

I'm going to try your "just ask to get around us" approach next time just for kicks. I'll report back.

Can't be to careful out there!
Gup

 

[aa73]

Gup, if it's me in front of you, I guarantee we'll be giving way. Just tried that yesterday in IAD with an Airtran coming up on the parallel, except that Ramp really wanted us in front for some reason. Then (OF COURSE!) we get to our gate ahead of Airtran and we have nobody to park us for 10mins. Airtran, of course, zips right in despite being behind us. We both enjoyed a good laugh out of that one! THAT'S one of the reasons we taxi slow - nobody to park us when we get to our gate!

 

[Kharma Police]

aa73,

It's not all about you. Get out of the way and take your fight with your (fill in the blank) management to the table and off the taxiway. I do hope you get a great contract, but please don't take it out on the rest of the industry.

You can't tell me you are not riding the brakes on the way to 25R in Vegas. I hope you do not need to actually use your brakes during an aborted takeoff...it will be ugly for the unsuspecting passengers and aa...and the lawyers will have a hayday. It will be the first thing investigated.

Yes, the NTSB would have a field day when it reprimands the AA crew for taxiing too slow to complete required checklist items..........