TWA recall rights at AA ??

[75M]

I could be wrong Letter three also never said that FB's would get years of service for pay and they do which is a huge expense to the company and a boon for ex TWA'rs. Nice guys who got real lucky.

Man, if that's what you call "lucky", I'd hate to see what a bad day looks like...

 

[VAjetlag]

I call it lucky that they had jobs even though they took it in the shorts from APA (I am sure if the roles were reveresed they would have done the same to APA). Then when they were not any part of the Letter 3 / Supplement W process they were given the ability to partake of its benefits instead of hitting the street. Then the icing came with being able to keep years of service for pay. I call that lucky. Nice guys like I said but had no business coming back to AE.

 

[ils2minimums]

uh oh, here it comes...

I call that lucky. Nice guys like I said but had no business coming back to AE.

Holy crap... you've dared to disparage TWA pilots, be prepared for the wrath... I predict this thread will soon turn into a multi-page one-sided APA/AA pilot bashing...

 

[VAjetlag]

Not my intent nor was I pilot bashing. Just stating some fact from someone who was effected by all of it.

 

[TWA Dude]

Just stating some fact from someone who was effected by all of it.

Whaddya mean "affected" by it? If it wasn't ex-TWA'ers flowing back it would've been more nAAtives. How could you possibly want that .

 

[VAjetlag]

HEHE no one said we would have liked it but in reality they had the right to flowback. I also think fewer would have comeback compared to the TWA'ers. Would have cost AE less money also. Native will more likely to go back than TWA'ers.

 

[pkober]

Kugell,

You ain't no spel chekker r yuo?

 

[flyby]

TWA Legends

Holy crap... you've dared to disparage TWA pilots, be prepared for the wrath... I predict this thread will soon turn into a multi-page one-sided APA/AA pilot bashing...

Sorry if this is old...

Q. How many TWA pilots does it take to screw in a lightbulb?


A. All of them. One to screw in the bulb and the rest of them to reminisce about it.

 

[XTW]

You call those landings? More like impacts!:nuts:

 

[Flythis]

Hey VAjetlag, how were you "effected" by it? Obviously not on the TWA side. Please don't tell me how "lucky" I am. Lost job, not offered flush back, and will probably not ever get recalled. Well, then again maybe I am lucky. I don't have to work for AMR.

Not all of us were so "lucky". Yes it sucks for the Eagle types, but you guys are the ones who wanted the flush through in the first place. Sometimes the toilet gets backed up, and not always with just your shtt.

 

[AA717driver]

Unfortunately, the bad blood will exist between AA and TWA pilots until the final TWA pilot retires (from the left seat of a 777 or whatever the big airplane is at that time...).

Might as well get comfortable. TC

 

[pkober]

Flyby,

When you understand what we're talking about, then you can post. If you been through it then you know how much it suck. That's life. I'm lucky, Ive got a job at a good, actually better, airline. Alot of my fellow TWA'ers aren't so lucky.

AA717,

You're fenced off of the 777 forever. PM me and let me know if you plan on going back to AA.

CLAMBAKE

 

[MD80DRVR]

I thought all of the fences went away when the most junior AA F/O at the time upgrades to Cpt. on the 777?? Wasn't his name B.D. White or something?

 

[pkober]

I forgot about B.D. White. I always thought it must suck being singled out like that. It was more a joke than fact about the fences.

How's it going for you? Have you found a job worth not going back for?

CLAMBAKE

 

[aa73]

Unfortunately, the bad blood will exist between AA and TWA pilots until the final TWA pilot retires (from the left seat of a 777 or whatever the big airplane is at that time...).

Might as well get comfortable. TC

Not with me, I thouroughly enjoyed working with "youse guys!"

TC, you'd be crazy to leave a G-5 job to come back here, though!

73

 

[MD80DRVR]

I forgot about B.D. White. I always thought it must suck being singled out like that. It was more a joke than fact about the fences.

How's it going for you? Have you found a job worth not going back for?

CLAMBAKE

I'll never say never, but I couldn't be happier at JetBlue.

 

[mannyaplus11]

I'll never say never, but I couldn't be happier at JetBlue.

Ditto

 

[AA717driver]

Clambake--Is B.D. White the trigger for the 777 or is it the bottom guy the day the deal was announced? So much crap. So little grey matter...

aa73--It's about W2. A lot of GV jobs pay better than AA. This one doesn't and will take 10 years or so to match current S80 CA pay. A couple of my friends are now CA's at JB. A couple are getting close at AirTran. They would be silly to consider coming back.

My situation is different than just about everyone else here (except for AAslag and XTW). We are relatively close to recall (Mar. '04 furlough--500 to 600 numbers out) and relatively close (three or four years) to getting reinstated as CA on the S80 in STL. A lot of those posting here are '96 hires or later and will go back without reinstatement rights as a CA or even a hope of upgrading inside the fence for 10 years or so (they have around 500-600 TWA guys who have to retire first). AND, they will go back at less than 12 year pay.

Yes, those in my seniority group got the worst hosing of all--losing a CA seat and being on the street in a 12 month span. But we have the most to return for--especially if the age 60 rule is changed.

But anything could change the conditions for all of us. AA takes a pay cut to remain competitive with the Ch. 11 veterans. Age 60 stays. The A plan goes away with a lousy replacement and no credit for "time served". Syria decides to use some of the WMD Saddam stored there. Oil goes to $100/barrel.

Once again, this career is a crap shoot and we have to make life-altering decisions with a couple of pixels of the 'big picture'. TC

 

[CSY Mon]

Yes, those in my seniority group got the worst hosing of all--losing a CA seat and being on the street in a 12 month span.

Loosing an airline and a career is indeed bad hosing.

Been there, done that:

When Tower Air went out of business we all started from scratch.
Some of us with AA, some with other majors and some with minors.
(Same with the Midway guys, that place folded just a few days after 9/11)

As bad as it may feel being an ex-TWA captain and loosing the big paycheck, the status, the seniority, etc, at least, if nothing else, you got a number with another major.

Most of us in the same boat did not.

9/11 was a really bad deal for the victims of the attacks.
For the secondary victims, like the airline employees, it was a bum deal.
Sh!t happens, bad luck, but the AA pilots did not run TWA into the ground, nor did they smoke crack in the mosque, hi-jack planes and fly 'em into buildings and ruining the US econonmy for the next 5 years.

We are all in the same boat (or on the same street.)

Lets hope there is light at the end of the tunnel, but with the fuel prices on the way up, it may be a train.

 

[pylut]

Got a number with another major...which one?
Oh, I get it (snicker) you mean aa. Is aa still a major... I thought it was now just a punchline.
Ya, hang on to that aa number, it'll come in real handy.