TWA ALPA lawsuit?

[AeroDork]

PLC:

Did you pay for training at Gulfstream?

I think we all know the answer to that question. But for those who are late getting here yes, yes he did.

But it's ok now he regrets doing it. And he works oh so hard at alpa to atone.

 

[Kugelblitz]

You are referring to the PAN AM, "Dirty 30", which were mostly management pilots, nice try but I know my history too.

"Nice Try"? Okay. Your right, no ALPA pilots were screwed by ALPA National at Pan Am. You might just try asking a Pan Am pilot involved on the losing side of this issue their opinion, but, I suppose like those of us on the losing side of the TWA issue, what do we know?

Not nearly as smart as the folks on the outside wearing the latest Raybans and flying RJ's for $20/hour after purchasing the job from Flight Safety.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No facts, simply emotional rhetoric.....

I'll reply to your entire post. ALPA National is a business just like any airline, and run by career minded, narcissistic, Prima Donna's - just like any airline.

So ALPA national functions to serve all pilot groups... not just yours or the TWA pilots?

What do you get for your dues every month? You get a glossy magazine that the afore mentioned Prima Donna's get pictured in doing "important" work like studying runway incursions or taxiway markings, too bad we don't have an FAA to do those things. Much of this work seems to be done at 4 and 5 star hotel's on weekend junkets supplied by your dues. At least you get a cool WE ARE ALPA sticker to put on the side of your flight bag.

What good is runway safety when the TWA MEC "screwed" over its pilots.

If you want to believe that incompetent ALPA leadership has nothing to do with the complete run-down of this industry then keep hitting the crackpipe. If you want to believe that the difference between ALPA staying solvent is a TWA lawsuit and not the fact that many pilot groups have large numbers vocally advocating leaving ALPA if they haven't already, again, go ahead.

More pilot groups have voted for ALPA.....

I suppose we should just let this one go? Let the fact that ALPA sold the TWA pilot group out for the hopes of getting the entire APA membership under their penumbra slide by and act like it didn't happen? It didn't affect you afterall, fellow narcissisist, so why the h#ll should you care? You and most of the un-affected, grimly interested bystanders have no idea of the hardship and pain that so many of my fellow former colleagues have experienced. And at the end of the day it wasn't justified, and certainly ALPA had a duty to defend TWA with all of it's available resources, not the mild petty interest it displayed. TWA was the first airline to ever strike against it's management for the sake of ALPA by the way (in the mid 1940's) and what did that get them?

This is cute.... suddenly your pain is much more vauable than anyone elses... insofar that ALPA National, despite the choices of the TWA MEC, should forget about policy and law and come to your career deathbed.....

I hold no malice towards APA, hell, I have an APA number. I paid my dues to the union right up to the day I got furloughed. I always respected the fact that their union did what it could to protect and defend the job's of their membership extant at the time of the list integration. If ALPA had done the same for us, then fine. But the fact is, our TWA MEC was essentially working alone on this issue, and all ALPA National did is what it always does, provide a lot of lip service while it pursues it's own ulterior motives. All that 2/3 of the TWA pilot group got out of this whole TWA/AA thing was a recall number that isn't worth the paper it is printed on. We will never get recalled, and I have heard that there are intrigues afoot to rescind those recall rights anyway. That is unsubstantiated by any thing official, but it wouldn't suprise me.

Classic.... when the MEC's want to be left alone, ALPA national is a hinderance, when MEC's don't have the answer, then ALPA stinks because it won't cater to the MEC....

Something about cake and eating it too?

As far as you or future pilot's paying our lawsuit, won't happen. There won't be an ALPA for them to join. Hopefully, they will have an effective pilot's union to join that won't just take them for their money and placate their little ego's with ariticles talking about "how important pilot's are" or "the hero in the cockpit".

More factual demise of ALPA....

Maybe the next generation of pilots will actually have a union that does something to better the industry and the work place like Dave Behncke envisioned and his union originally did.

Not that you did anything or are doing something to ensure such a union...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You don't fund your mistakes, you fund hotel get-a-ways for ALPA leadership or finance their trip drops so they don't have to fly in bad weather. Perhaps you personally benefit from this and don't want to see it ruined?

You want what you want and you want it now......

Grandpa always said life is not fair......

Seems like you should be mad at free enterprise...you know, "the Market". (I love the market, it creates and destroys..... like a Hollywood movie....)

TWA was doing poorly operationally, (ALPA's fault??).... AMR took over.....

So how should have the TWA MEC handled this....

Start with the TWA pilots waiving its CBA on the intergration....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

APA played ALPA like the amateurs they were/are on this. I am amazed and horrified at how they did it, and I won't go any further on this for now because there is litigation pending. But it was a work of art. Sometime down the road, I will tell what I know of it. It may already be on the forums somewhere.

Maybe we can sit around the fire and you 'school' the youngins

Using your logic, most Delta pilots should have lost their jobs because of what happened with Pan Am. I wonder if the ALPA crackpipe people remember that one? You know, where the Pan Am Alpa leadership made sure they got typed on the aircraft that they knew (but not the greater pilot population at Pan Am) would survive the merger and thus those pilots retain their jobs? WE ARE ALPA.

So it was the PAA leadership? I thought your issue was with ALPA National? If it was PAA ALPA, then could it also have been TWA ALPA?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'll stop. Sorry, but these non-involved, 30-something, narcissistic, know-it-alls really get under my skin.

So is this a factual issue or a bunch of know it alls that you allow to get under your skin?

I will stop.

not factual

 

[JoeMerchant]

The problem with ALPA is that it wants us all to be together as one, but we aren't really all together as one....Either we are ALL together, or we aren't...There is no half way as ALPA seems to want...

Rez talks about "cake and wanting to eat it"....That is exactly what ALPA's problem is....It makes promises it can't deliver with it's current structure..We can't all be "together" and "separate" at the same time...

 

[AA717driver]

Sorry, Rez. The TWA guys here have nothing to say.

TC

 

[TWA Dude]

TWA was doing poorly operationally, (ALPA's fault??).... AMR took over.....

(This isn't about any lawsuit so I can speak.)

My, how memories are short. TWA was doing very well operationally in 2000-2001. That's what CEO Compton knew how to do.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

(This isn't about any lawsuit so I can speak.)

My, how memories are short. TWA was doing very well operationally in 2000-2001. That's what CEO Compton knew how to do.

Financial problems began to resurface shortly afterward, and Trans World Airlines Inc. assets were acquired by American Airlines in April 2001

The ceremonial last flight was Flight 220 from Kansas City, Missouri, to St. Louis, with CEO Captain William Compton at the controls.

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You are correct sir!