TWA ALPA lawsuit?

[swa737-700]

Rez and the rest of the pro-ALPO folks. Drop it. It will not be discussed on this forum by former-TWAers. Period.

 

[CitationLover]

No reason to get upset, Rez. These idiots aren't going to cost you a dime, because their lawsuit is completely without merit. They'll waste incredible amounts of their own money on legal fees, and then they'll be left with nothing to show for it. Just like the RJDC wankers.

So thats why ALPA National shredded all those documents........no merit.

 

[XTW]

CL, enough.

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[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez and the rest of the pro-ALPO folks. Drop it. It will not be discussed on this forum by former-TWAers. Period.

Nice slur on the money source you seek.....

Yet it seems it is being discussed....

Why can't those who you seek to fund your failed expectations have a say?

You guys are creating plenty of annimosity of the dues paying members....

 

[PCL_128]

So thats why ALPA National shredded all those documents........no merit.

No documents were ever shredded, because there was nothing to shred.

 

[Kugelblitz]

What is the dirty laundry?

1.3b. Wow... if you don't BK ALPA and thus get pennies on the dollar, then pilots not even born will fund your pay out. If the profession continues to decline then, less wages will be available to fund your payout.....

ALPA trying to raise wages, but if they spend time and money with your lawsuit that defeats the purpose..... it seems your litigation is biting the hands that feeds.

Too bad USAIR left ALPA, they have taken your money and ran!

What responsibilities does the TWA MEC accept.... waiving their LPP for example.... Also, if ALPA had a goal of bringing in house unions onto the fold, is that dirty laundry? What is the dirty laundry that you speak of...

Finally, were is the APA and AMR is all of this? It would seem AMR has more cash than ALPA....

I'll reply to your entire post. ALPA National is a business just like any airline, and run by career minded, narcissistic, Prima Donna's - just like any airline.

What do you get for your dues every month? You get a glossy magazine that the afore mentioned Prima Donna's get pictured in doing "important" work like studying runway incursions or taxiway markings, too bad we don't have an FAA to do those things. Much of this work seems to be done at 4 and 5 star hotel's on weekend junkets supplied by your dues. At least you get a cool WE ARE ALPA sticker to put on the side of your flight bag.

If you want to believe that incompetent ALPA leadership has nothing to do with the complete run-down of this industry then keep hitting the crackpipe. If you want to believe that the difference between ALPA staying solvent is a TWA lawsuit and not the fact that many pilot groups have large numbers vocally advocating leaving ALPA if they haven't already, again, go ahead.

I suppose we should just let this one go? Let the fact that ALPA sold the TWA pilot group out for the hopes of getting the entire APA membership under their penumbra slide by and act like it didn't happen? It didn't affect you afterall, fellow narcissisist, so why the h#ll should you care? You and most of the un-affected, grimly interested bystanders have no idea of the hardship and pain that so many of my fellow former colleagues have experienced. And at the end of the day it wasn't justified, and certainly ALPA had a duty to defend TWA with all of it's available resources, not the mild petty interest it displayed. TWA was the first airline to ever strike against it's management for the sake of ALPA by the way (in the mid 1940's) and what did that get them?

I hold no malice towards APA, hell, I have an APA number. I paid my dues to the union right up to the day I got furloughed. I always respected the fact that their union did what it could to protect and defend the job's of their membership extant at the time of the list integration. If ALPA had done the same for us, then fine. But the fact is, our TWA MEC was essentially working alone on this issue, and all ALPA National did is what it always does, provide a lot of lip service while it pursues it's own ulterior motives. All that 2/3 of the TWA pilot group got out of this whole TWA/AA thing was a recall number that isn't worth the paper it is printed on. We will never get recalled, and I have heard that there are intrigues afoot to rescind those recall rights anyway. That is unsubstantiated by any thing official, but it wouldn't suprise me.

As far as you or future pilot's paying our lawsuit, won't happen. There won't be an ALPA for them to join. Hopefully, they will have an effective pilot's union to join that won't just take them for their money and placate their little ego's with ariticles talking about "how important pilot's are" or "the hero in the cockpit".

Maybe the next generation of pilots will actually have a union that does something to better the industry and the work place like Dave Behncke envisioned and his union originally did.

 

[Kugelblitz]

No reason to get upset, Rez. These idiots aren't going to cost you a dime, because their lawsuit is completely without merit. They'll waste incredible amounts of their own money on legal fees, and then they'll be left with nothing to show for it. Just like the RJDC wankers.

Many of these "idiots" were Vietnam War Veterans that served this country with dignity and valor. They endured some difficult times and raised to the point where in the early 1980's TWA had the highest paying, best contract in the world. Then Carl Icahn came along, it was either him or Lorenzo. But I guess those idiot's got what they deserved.

I guess the fact that TWA pilots were the first group to ever strike as an ALPA group doesn't matter as well since all of their travails I just mentioned mentioned probably occurred before you were born.


I wish I believed in Karma but I don't. I don't believe in literal Devils either, but I can tell you this, keeping making deals with this devil and see where it will get you someday.

Of course perhaps you are one of those pretty pilot prima donnas that gets his picture in the Airline Pilot Magazine every month and have yourself all taken care of.

 

[Kharma Police]

I'll reply to your entire post. ALPA National is a business just like any airline, and run by career minded, narcissistic, Prima Donna's - just like any airline.

What do you get for your dues every month? You get a glossy magazine that the afore mentioned Prima Donna's get pictured in doing "important" work like studying runway incursions or taxiway markings, too bad we don't have an FAA to do those things. Much of this work seems to be done at 4 and 5 star hotel's on weekend junkets supplied by your dues. At least you get a cool WE ARE ALPA sticker to put on the side of your flight bag.

If you want to believe that incompetent ALPA leadership has nothing to do with the complete run-down of this industry then keep hitting the crackpipe. If you want to believe that the difference between ALPA staying solvent is a TWA lawsuit and not the fact that many pilot groups have large numbers vocally advocating leaving ALPA if they haven't already, again, go ahead.

I suppose we should just let this one go? Let the fact that ALPA sold the TWA pilot group out for the hopes of getting the entire APA membership under their penumbra slide by and act like it didn't happen? It didn't affect you afterall, fellow narcissisist, so why the h#ll should you care? You and most of the un-affected, grimly interested bystanders have no idea of the hardship and pain that so many of my fellow former colleagues have experienced. And at the end of the day it wasn't justified, and certainly ALPA had a duty to defend TWA with all of it's available resources, not the mild petty interest it displayed. TWA was the first airline to ever strike against it's management for the sake of ALPA by the way (in the mid 1940's) and what did that get them?

I hold no malice towards APA, hell, I have an APA number. I paid my dues to the union right up to the day I got furloughed. I always respected the fact that their union did what it could to protect and defend the job's of their membership extant at the time of the list integration. If ALPA had done the same for us, then fine. But the fact is, our TWA MEC was essentially working alone on this issue, and all ALPA National did is what it always does, provide a lot of lip service while it pursues it's own ulterior motives. All that 2/3 of the TWA pilot group got out of this whole TWA/AA thing was a recall number that isn't worth the paper it is printed on. We will never get recalled, and I have heard that there are intrigues afoot to rescind those recall rights anyway. That is unsubstantiated by any thing official, but it wouldn't suprise me.

As far as future pilot's paying our lawsuit, won't happen. Their won't be an ALPA for them to join. Hopefully, they will have an effective pilot's union to join that won't just take them for their money and placate their little ego's with ariticles talking about "how important pilot's are" or "the hero in the cockpit".

Maybe the next generation of pilots will actually have a union that does something to better the industry and the work place like Dave Behncke envisioned and his union originally did.

Again, I'm still waiting for the APA to merge with ALPA, you think maybe in another ten years it will happen?!?! How would you say the Ozark pilots were treated when they merged with TWA, fair and equitable in your eyes?

 

[MCDU]

Nice post Kugelblitz. ALPA is not a Union. Otherwise airlines would still have their pensions and probation pilots would not be allowed to jump ahead of pilots with 17 years of service. What happened to TWA, DHL, ATA, Aloha,Emery and Midwest pilots is a nice example how impotent ALPA is protecting their jobs from getting outsourced or just dissappearing. Who is next. By bet is on Airtran. Up one day, down the next. It is the Alpa way.

SWA and AMR pilots have much stronger Union principles. Those real Unions care about you and not about Mesa.

M

 

[Kugelblitz]

Failed arguement. Congress changed the law, not ALPA. The issue you speak of was ALPA's involvment in the process...

The TWA lawsuit is entirely different....

the TWA pilots thru their MEC gave up thier CBA rights to sen list intergration...... somehow you guys think that current ALPA pilots should pay for that. Pilots that were still in high school at the time.

Fund your own mistakes. That is what the rest of us do.....

You don't fund your mistakes, you fund hotel get-a-ways for ALPA leadership or finance their trip drops so they don't have to fly in bad weather. Perhaps you personally benefit from this and don't want to see it ruined?