Tsa Mec

[boulevard]

Curious to the opinions of TSA pilots' on their MEC?

Your MEC doesn't work here, your C39 Capt Rep doesn't work here, nor does your Grievance Chair. All communications is lacking. The union is in contract negotiations while it's reps have been terminated. Could there be a conflict of interest in this situation?

There is no unity on line. A majority of pilots are upset with their lack of representation. An attempted ouster of the MEC was avoided only because those asking the MEC to step down did so in a manner that would allow the MEC to step down graciously. Instead the MEC circled the wagons in protection rather than doing what was right and requested by the pilot group.

 

[Shrek]

So what do you want to accomplish by this public - announcement even if true.

Aint gonna work bro.......

 

[temcgrew]

Your MEC doesn't work here, your C39 Capt Rep doesn't work here, nor does your Grievance Chair.

on the brighter side, the MEC chairman does still work here, but has been fired before.

All communications is lacking

I'll give them some credit, our VARS has been kept updated every monday.

An attempted ouster of the MEC was avoided only because those asking the MEC to step down did so in a manner that would allow the MEC to step down graciously. Instead the MEC circled the wagons in protection rather than doing what was right and requested by the pilot group.

Correct, the group was labeled as an exclusive "club" that had thier own interest in mind. I do not know the guys, most of us didn't know what happened until after the fact, otherwise the outcome might be different.
Of course they had to circle the wagons, the reason being your statement about how many of them do not work here anymore.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Whats the old saying? Power corrupts? Look at every facet of the union and they're no better than your average politician looking for any way to remain in their lofty position of power.

Surprisingly, they make the same claims as the pols. "It's a tough job and I get no thanks from 'The Great Unwashed' but I'll keep doing my job because I care." Mind if I call BS?

I am sure most of them had pure intentions when they took over the reins of power but they fall to the powerful addiction. Nothing like being able to get up in front of a pilot group and manipulate them completely. Quite the rush huh?

We do need some sort of representation as a pilot group simply for the fact of being a highly skilled blue collar force but there needs to be some sort of term limit all the way up the chain. If we don't ask this, we'll continue to have leadership who only serve themselves in the tough times just as our esteemed leaders in our government.

 

[temcgrew]

Nothing like being able to get up in front of a pilot group and manipulate them completely. Quite the rush huh?

No, you can't be serious!! you mean the whole "we are neutral on the one pilot list vote for the g0jet flying" was just a sham? I thought the winking was just a little "tick" he picked up back in 'nam.

 

[Jbitzer]

I did my phone and web survey so my MEC knows how I feel about them. I don't think posting on a public forum is a good way to express your displeasure with the MEC.

 

[redbook]

No, you can't be serious!! you mean the whole "we are neutral on the one pilot list vote for the g0jet flying" was just a sham? I thought the winking was just a little "tick" he picked up back in 'nam.

we know that you wanted to agree to a four year extension, on top of the previous two, which means you would have voted for a six year extension. And you would have been happy to vote to fly 70 seat eq for effectively 50 seat rates.

the pilot group voted no. And we know what it meant. If you want to go g0jet, just leave. They are desperate for guys like you.

 

[airjackson]

How about posting these thoughts on the ALPA web boards so those who could affect change could see them? Oh, that's right, you'd have to attach your NAME to them and that is, quite frankly, a non-starter for you. You can only bitch and moan behind the anonymity this forum provides. Grow a sack. If you believe in something, be a man and do something about it.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Posting the ALPO website! Now there's a laugh. That union doesn't have a voice. They don't respond to postings on that website. They DID respond to the gossip on TSA lounge but that's gone because the union leader shut it down. He didn't like what the pilots were saying plus National didn't like being bashed either. What that pilot group need is a new gossip lounge!

 

[Oneflap]

I think its great that you are informing the public about the MEC corruption at TSA. The people saying that you should only post your thoughts on the ALPA web site want to continue to cover up the problems at TSA. Remember the company gave the 1st offer of 3 year ext. on contract without a vote and 4 year ext. with a pilot vote for the 70 seat flying. The MEC decided to vote and the pilot group voted No as the MEC lead them to. ALPA national emailed a letter to the pilot group before the vote saying that TSA PILOTS should take the company offer because it will probably be the only chance to see 70 seat flying (this letter was signed by the MEC chairman and he still lead the charge to vote no against ALPA nationals advice). Then after they lost the arbitration the MEC said I guess we will take your origional offer of a 3 year ext. without a vote.....Guess what the company said...? So if someone had the guts to tell the public about whats going on at TSA in public forum I aplaud them. I hope more people step out and demand new MEC leadership! I think ALPA is a great Union outside of the TSA MEC morans and there supporters. Stand up and fight back!

 

[Shrek]

"TSA MEC morans and there supporters"............lol

tool

Interesting this stuff is posted right when we are in new contract negotiations......must be a fluke

 

[BoilerUP]

I think its great that you are informing the public about the MEC corruption at TSA. The people saying that you should only post your thoughts on the ALPA web site want to continue to cover up the problems at TSA. Remember the company gave the 1st offer of 3 year ext. on contract without a vote and 4 year ext. with a pilot vote for the 70 seat flying. The MEC decided to vote and the pilot group voted No as the MEC lead them to. ALPA national emailed a letter to the pilot group before the vote saying that TSA PILOTS should take the company offer because it will probably be the only chance to see 70 seat flying (this letter was signed by the MEC chairman and he still lead the charge to vote no against ALPA nationals advice). Then after they lost the arbitration the MEC said I guess we will take your origional offer of a 3 year ext. without a vote.....Guess what the company said...? So if someone had the guts to tell the public about whats going on at TSA in public forum I aplaud them. I hope more people step out and demand new MEC leadership! I think ALPA is a great Union outside of the TSA MEC morans and there supporters. Stand up and fight back!

So have you always been at RAH???

 

[temcgrew]

I don't think posting on a public forum is a good way to express your displeasure with the MEC.

And what's wrong with it?

How about posting these thoughts on the ALPA web boards so those who could affect change could see them? Oh, that's right, you'd have to attach your NAME to them and that is, quite frankly, a non-starter for you. You can only bitch and moan behind the anonymity this forum provides. Grow a sack. If you believe in something, be a man and do something about it.

And a real man has bart simpson as an avatar? It's amazing the atmosphere at TSA when you express an opinion, ANY OPINION that isn't what the MEC wants you to hear, you get bashed for it. I feel I am one of the only ones NOT afraid to express my opinion, I realize it is not the popular thought, but I do have an opinion. I am not being combative about it, maybe a bit sarcastic, the tone of the TSA guys who blindly support our union is amazing.

I posted my name on the lounge before, it was no big deal...if it's such a big deal to you why isn't your name on here<

 

[Shrek]

The TSA MEC is at least trying to do what is right by ALL the pilots here. Some of whom have NO JOB. Of course there are differing opinions. Pilots usually agree on most things........but not all. Don't like the way things are going......get involved.......volunteer for a committee------I think there are slots open for Pilot-to-Pilot volunteers as well as the P2P Chairman slot the last I checked.

Last I checked you actually VOTE in the MEC right?!

In the last MEC election in RIC there was what 30 votes TOTAL. So who's fault is it when your voice isn't heard loudly when most people don't even VOTE.

Airjackson was just trying to give you a forum where you can actually get some answers to some of your questions.......it wasn't about a muzzle of any sort. Unless you are like my ex-wife who complained cuz it was fun.

 

[dw6635]

Public Displays of Aggravation

I have completed my web survey and the telephone polling. Additionally and unfortunately, my questions through ALPA's web board have gone unanswered. This is the only other forum to express my displeasure with our MEC. Granted, I agree that posting on a public forum is a poor avenue to take, but at least we are receiving feedback from this thread. I do believe, however, this is an excellent opportunity to illustrate some of the corruption that goes on within our MEC. If we are going to discuss one "Club" of people coming forward in an effort to make a change for the better for our pilot group, we must not forget another "Club" formed by our MEC Chair and also including the MEC Vice Chair and the STL LEC Chair. To be quite frank, I have no clue what their agenda is anymore. I will be the first to admit this animosity is incredibly juvenile. However, I also wonder for what purpose is a “Union”? I previously thought it was in place to unite a group of people. I could be wrong because this "Union" is doing a poor job of making that happen. We are incredibly divided. Who really is looking out for our best interest? I enjoy working here; after all, it is not the company with whom I am having the problem. It is possible that this kind of representation requires some public display in order to get the MEC to keep their eye on the ball and remind them they do have a purpose.

 

[Skippy]

Is this the same Boulevard that was on the lounge? Because this is the same SKIPPY.
Keep it up, .....

 

[Jbitzer]

This JBitzer is the same JBitzer from the lounge.... Lets just keep posting about TSA all the time so I don't have to go looking all over the regional section of this board to find out the sh!t, or I could use all my free time to get a hobby.

 

[airjackson]

And what's wrong with it?

And a real man has bart simpson as an avatar? It's amazing the atmosphere at TSA when you express an opinion, ANY OPINION that isn't what the MEC wants you to hear, you get bashed for it. I feel I am one of the only ones NOT afraid to express my opinion, I realize it is not the popular thought, but I do have an opinion. I am not being combative about it, maybe a bit sarcastic, the tone of the TSA guys who blindly support our union is amazing.

I posted my name on the lounge before, it was no big deal...if it's such a big deal to you why isn't your name on here<

I can assure you that dissenting opinions are heard and do not get bashed by the MEC because I have been one of them. I do not blindly follow/agree with everything the MEC has done. I do, however, feel that they have worked tirelessly to improve things for this pilot group against a management which is callous, indifferent, antagonistic, and adversarial.

Most importantly, when I have a concern, I have brought it to the attention of those who are in a position to change things. Sure, post all you want here or on the lounge. It's great for mindless and faceless bitching. But if you are the professional you think you are, you will put your money where your pie-hole is and work WITHIN YOUR UNION to make things better.

Worry about your own avatar. Chump.

 

[Jason Kagan]

If people have a problem with the way things are going they need to contact their union representatives and express their concerns.

My number is 618.409.3293 or [email protected]

Remember guys, I have all the time in the world to answer your calls or emails.

 

[theo]

I can assure you that dissenting opinions are heard and do not get bashed by the MEC because I have been one of them. I do not blindly follow/agree with everything the MEC has done. I do, however, feel that they have worked tirelessly to improve things for this pilot group against a management which is callous, indifferent, antagonistic, and adversarial.

Most importantly, when I have a concern, I have brought it to the attention of those who are in a position to change things. Sure, post all you want here or on the lounge. It's great for mindless and faceless bitching. But if you are the professional you think you are, you will put your money where your pie-hole is and work WITHIN YOUR UNION to make things better.

Worry about your own avatar. Chump.

As I have stated before, I have several friends who work for TSA and frankly their opinion seems more in line with UEJ500 than most of the bitterness held by the posters on this site. My question is do you think your management exhibits callousness, indifference, antagonisim and an adversarial attitude because that is what they get from your MEC? Do you think that your management is going to change any time soon? My friends tell me that the people running the company are the same people who have been there forever, obviously including the owner. I am also told that they are one of the few airlines that make money every year so doesnt look like the owner plans on canning those guys soon. Therefore don't you think that a more cooperative attitude would be wise? Since confrontation hasnt worked for you guys maybe it is time to change tactics?

 

[airjackson]

Therefore don't you think that a more cooperative attitude would be wise? Since confrontation hasnt worked for you guys maybe it is time to change tactics?

Wise for who? Management? Of course management would love to see a more "cooperative" attitude from ALPA. Cooperating by signing long contracts for substandard pay and poor quality of life.

Remember, there have been several periods of "cooperation" during which management and the union have gotten along quite well. The MEC signed the last contract extension to allow the company to go out and grow, prompting letters from management thanking us and talking up a new era of "cooperation". No, no, no...Don't fall for the story that ALPA is the root of all evil at TSA. When the company wants things done, they work with the pilot group and things get done.

The major fault of ALPA at TSA, in the eyes of the company, is that they don't just roll over and fall for every ploy. They do see a larger picture vis-a-vis pay and work rules in the regional industry and will not sell that vision out simply to secure shiny new jets. I'm sure there are pilots here who would rather they took a different course. Again, if you feel strongly about it, get involved with YOUR union and work to make things better- however you define "better".

 

[temcgrew]

Sure, post all you want here or on the lounge

the lounge has been down since the MEC started negotiating with the company. They do not control this board, which is good. As for my avatar, I thought you would love Alan, he's my hero.

 

[Oneflap]

Wise for who? Management? Of course management would love to see a more "cooperative" attitude from ALPA. Cooperating by signing long contracts for substandard pay and poor quality of life.

Remember, there have been several periods of "cooperation" during which management and the union have gotten along quite well. The MEC signed the last contract extension to allow the company to go out and grow, prompting letters from management thanking us and talking up a new era of "cooperation". No, no, no...Don't fall for the story that ALPA is the root of all evil at TSA. When the company wants things done, they work with the pilot group and things get done.

The major fault of ALPA at TSA, in the eyes of the company, is that they don't just roll over and fall for every ploy. They do see a larger picture vis-a-vis pay and work rules in the regional industry and will not sell that vision out simply to secure shiny new jets. I'm sure there are pilots here who would rather they took a different course. Again, if you feel strongly about it, get involved with YOUR union and work to make things better- however you define "better".

The Contract extention you are talking about was not for cooperation...It was the only way the MEC chairman could get his job back. If you recall he was fired and some how got his job back and signed a contract extention without a vote HUMMMMMM. let me think....Thats good cooperating

 

[Oneflap]

the lounge has been down since the MEC started negotiating with the company. They do not control this board, which is good. As for my avatar, I thought you would love Alan, he's my hero.

The MEC chairman runs the lounge....thats why a friend of mine was banned for questioning him personally on the lounge and post was removed. The lounge is down because he did not like what the majority of the pilot group was starting to say....

 

[temcgrew]

The MEC chairman runs the lounge....thats why a friend of mine was banned for questioning him personally on the lounge and post was removed. The lounge is down because he did not like what the majority of the pilot group was starting to say....

THANK YOU!!! I had a post removed from the lounge as well. here on this board, all they have is airjackson to come on and insult you personally for having an opinion.

 

[redbook]

THANK YOU!!! I had a post removed from the lounge as well. here on this board, all they have is airjackson to come on and insult you personally for having an opinion.

I think I have taken shots at your "opinions" too; and it was not for having one, but rather a stupid one.

 

[temcgrew]

and it was not for having one, but rather a stupid one.

You know, I thought I recognized your rantings as well. I love how our union reps think they save us all from our stupidity. Great leadership skills, tell everyone how much smarter you are than they and then wonder why nobody wants to get involved with you and your boys.

 

[redbook]

You know, I thought I recognized your rantings as well. I love how our union reps think they save us all from our stupidity. Great leadership skills, tell everyone how much smarter you are than they and then wonder why nobody wants to get involved with you and your boys.

everybody did get involved. We voted. 75% said no. Deal with it. You want to fly 70 seaters for nothing. We got it. We don't. Leave.

 

[airjackson]

THANK YOU!!! I had a post removed from the lounge as well. here on this board, all they have is airjackson to come on and insult you personally for having an opinion.

Insult you? I did nothing but challenge you to work within your pilot group to get things done. If poking your pride a bit gets you going then good. Because at the end of the day, you and I are on the same team (I'm assuming you work for TSA), and although we may not agree on every issue, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be standing together on most issues.

Oneflap, I hate to bust it to you but the lounge was shut down for a lot of reasons, the least of which was that some friend of a cousin's uncle's girlfriends pilot dude voiced an opinion in opposition to the MEC chairman. In short, it was to spur the pilot group to use avenues of communication which would help the pilots at TSA. God forbid we would actually encourage pilots to talk to each other instead of posting mindless drivel on anonymous message boards (which is pretty much what I'm doing right now).

The contract extension-for-the-job-story? I must admit to being suspect myself at one time but I've come to the conclusion that it is one of those urban legends which grow over time. I believe he had many opportunities to get his job back prior to that extension. However, if you know something I do not, please enlighten me. And be sure to include some background which might lend your version some credibility

 

[Oneflap]

I did leave and now I will have the chance to advance....Lots of TSA people coming over saying the same thing. Let us know if you will have the chance to fly anything over 50 seats with you NO VOTE!!! good job.