TSA Furloughs 20!

[rjacobs]

I never answer my phone when scheduling calls, I just listen to the message and then decide if I want to call them back.

 

[WAZUP]

I think I am starting to figure this whole thing out everything from g0jets to the contract negotiations. Quick question what is "work action"? And for the two hot heads who emailed me I am not going to g0jets I was trying to figure out what the whole issue was, relax have a beer (a good one at that) and relax and enjoy life a bit. I am in the pool at TSA and going to wait till training and I am really excited so back off REDBOOK. jacka$$ same to the other guy can't remember and I don't care.

 

[BoilerUP]

A job action is something that hurts the company that is outside the OpSpecs or SOPs. Not answering your phone when CS calls or not using your cellphone to call dispatch/MX= not a job action. Two engine taxis = not a job action, safety first! Writing up anything and everything wrong with an aircraft and having it lead to delays = not a job action!

A sickout or any (seemingly) orchestrated effort to slow down and/or stop flights, now THAT is a job action.

 

[flyinsick]

Does anyone know if they will furlough more? TSA never let us know what was about to happen, so we could try to continue to feed our famlies.

 

[WAZUP]

"Does anyone know if they will furlough more? TSA never let us know what was about to happen, so we could try to continue to feed our famlies."

I hope not, I feel bad for anyone who has to work so hard to get to that point only to lose their job.

 

[rjacobs]

What does unemployment pay nowadays anyway?

 

[redbook]

I think I am starting to figure this whole thing out everything from g0jets to the contract negotiations. Quick question what is "work action"? And for the two hot heads who emailed me I am not going to g0jets I was trying to figure out what the whole issue was, relax have a beer (a good one at that) and relax and enjoy life a bit. I am in the pool at TSA and going to wait till training and I am really excited so back off REDBOOK. jacka$$ same to the other guy can't remember and I don't care.

don't lie and smear me as!hole, I didn't pm you or anyone else. Look forward to flying with you.

 

[WAZUP]

well REDBOOK how come I had an email from you? I don't know how it got there I certainly did'nt give it to you unless it came through as a post. I don't understand why it would have.

 

[WAZUP]

REDBOOK I have to appologize I just checked my mail and realized that when ever someone responds to one of my posts it shows up as an email to me. I took it personal. so, sorry for that. I am new to this.

 

[redbook]

REDBOOK I have to appologize I just checked my mail and realized that when ever someone responds to one of my posts it shows up as an email to me. I took it personal. so, sorry for that. I am new to this.

No problem at all. If you decide to stick it out and wait for TSA despite all the bad news, I think I can say that it is a great pilot group and we will do our best to make it a good place for you to work. Best of luck to you wherever you end up.

 

[great cornholio]

Ive heard that not picking up open time "can" and has in the past been considered a work action. The company keeps a record of how many people pick up open time and it knows that like say 25% of open time gets picked up voluntarily. So if something goes down and now all of a sudden only 5% of the open time gets picked up out of open time then the company can say that the union did an illegal work action, because all of a sudden not as much open time is getting picked up. Dont know how or why this would be a work action, but apparently it has been viewed as such in the past. Anyways thats why the union can't really tell us to do anything like that. (so for those of you wondering why the union isnt really saying much about this...well they really cant say much because their words might get twisted by lawyers into saying that they organized a work action) However there are plenty of things that can be done legally to help get these guys thier jobs back.

 

[Thunder]

Ive heard that not picking up open time "can" and has in the past been considered a work action. The company keeps a record of how many people pick up open time and it knows that like say 25% of open time gets picked up voluntarily. So if something goes down and now all of a sudden only 5% of the open time gets picked up out of open time then the company can say that the union did an illegal work action, because all of a sudden not as much open time is getting picked up. Dont know how or why this would be a work action, but apparently it has been viewed as such in the past. Anyways thats why the union can't really tell us to do anything like that. (so for those of you wondering why the union isnt really saying much about this...well they really cant say much because their words might get twisted by lawyers into saying that they organized a work action) However there are plenty of things that can be done legally to help get these guys thier jobs back.

Then I'll say it, DON'T PICK UP ANY OPEN TIME AND FLY THE CONTRACT TSA PILOTS!

 

[rjacobs]

I think im gonna start helping with fuel savings even more by flying long range cruise speeds instead of high speed. How could the whole pilot group get in trouble for that? "Hey we are just trying to save you money so you can bring back our co workers and not have to furlough any more people, right." Thats how my carpet dance would go.

 

[Black Hawk]

The company keeps a record of how many people pick up open time and it knows that like say 25% of open time gets picked up voluntarily. So if something goes down and now all of a sudden only 5% of the open time gets picked up out of open time then the company can say that the union did an illegal work action, because all of a sudden not as much open time is getting picked up. Dont know how or why this would be a work action, but apparently it has been viewed as such in the past.

They'd somehow have to prove the union sponsored that activity (or lack of activity) and not individuals acting out of their own sense of morality.

 

[cheeeese]

First off, I never pick up open time...not once.


Shrek: How come the company can do such Sh*tty stuff to us, but when we want to do something its a job action. Can't the union take some action in other ways? Job Action, job action, job action....i'm so sick of hearing that phrase.....Look at the sh*t the company pulls...AND gets away with it.

Also, i'm so sick of finding out information from this website or in the newspaper. My latest favorite (besides the recent furlough) was the letter that stated we did not get any continental flying. Really, where was the memo saying we were bidding on it. All that was found out through word of mouth and monitoring company actions.

As for G0jet....those scum bags walk around the training center like nothings wrong. The company even has tsa recurrent classes in the room right next to the G0jet recurrent class (they are doing recurrent early to prevent mass training at the end of the year). G0jet does not give a Sh*t anymore. One last thing, all those guys i flew with who could not stop talking about how no way in hell they were going to vote for the G0jet agreement, and now say everbody should have.......shut up please. Do you think i don't remember your big mouth saying vote it down, vote it down....Stick with your decision and move on.

I don't think the company has any emotions when dealing with anything..I think we do. They don't care either way.

Hey is MB back to flying the line and if so why?

 

[jtf]

I think you could get a carpet dance for flying long range cruise unless it is in the opspecs. A few years ago the company put out memos to fly at .74 mach to save fuel. I believe Mr. Bloomer (POI) freaked out because that was not in the opspecs then and the company had to tell everyone that they were supposed to fly fast again. If they changed the SOP or opspecs than go for it since late costs those a@#holes in management money, but don't do it if you will be dancing for it. When I was there I kept a big stack of trip report forms with me and filled one out for most of the late flights (about 50% for me). I just wrote the truth (except for flying slow) since usually it is impossible to be on time with slow pax getting off and on, slow gate agents, no airstairs when you arrive, late fuelers, late bags, etc. Mostly I'm just saying have other reasons for being late that won't make you dance.

Also Delta won a big settlement against their pilot union over not picking up open time. I don't know exactly how they proved it, but I do know management won that one. That being the case, I still have to agree that you guys shouldn't pick it up. However there will always be a bunch of money whores who will pick it up no matter what anyone else says. I think the never answering scheduling and just calling back if the message requires is probably a good choice to make it harder for them to junior assign. I'm not sure if I agree that the furlough is to scare people during negotiation. It will be at least a couple more years before a strike could even be threatened so I would guess that it is a little early for the scare tactics. My opinion is that management is just inept and even though they knew they would be getting rid of the 41s and thusly having to transition pilots over, they just didn't think ahead like usual.

 

[temcgrew]

However there will always be a bunch of money whores who will pick it up no matter what anyone else says.

We usually refer to people who like to make extra money by picking up "overtime" as it should be called as HARD WORKERS. Don't let the union brainwash you to that extreme, I understand the point, but for goodness sakes, if someone wants to work extra and make a little more money for kids college, retirement or whatever, they have every right to do so and should never be limited by their union in any way.

 

[Capn Lucky]

Picking up open time while people are on the street is bad form unless its a drq. The you are helping someone.

 

[Shrek]

I agree......... "It's all about me" syndrome is crippling our efforts in the long run.

 

[Black Hawk]

We usually refer to people who like to make extra money by picking up "overtime" as it should be called as HARD WORKERS.

You had 20 potential hard workers ready and waiting to fly but cut them loose to save a few bucks. A lot of them probably left jobs or reorganized their lives to work there and were shown the door. Nice.

 

[temcgrew]

You had 20 potential hard workers ready and waiting to fly but cut them loose to save a few bucks. A lot of them probably left jobs or reorganized their lives to work there and were shown the door. Nice.

Tell that to the company, I'm upset as well. It still does not justify someone who is employed at TSA right now deprive himself of more pay to take care of himself and his family. I don't care who tells me not to pick up open time or even if DARIO himself tells me my name will be put on a "scab" list if I do. I should not be deprived of more income because of any of this.

Pull your head out of the sand and realize that the company didn't furlough these guys because some of us are picking up open time.

 

[TSA145]

Tell that to the company, I'm upset as well. It still does not justify someone who is employed at TSA right now deprive himself of more pay to take care of himself and his family. I don't care who tells me not to pick up open time or even if DARIO himself tells me my name will be put on a "scab" list if I do. I should not be deprived of more income because of any of this.

Pull your head out of the sand and realize that the company didn't furlough these guys because some of us are picking up open time.

WOW. With that mentality you should go work for Go Jets. With that mentality you'll fit right in......me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.....I'm speachless.
NOBODY SHOULD PICK UP OPEN TIME WHILE A CO-WORKER IS ON THE STREET, SPECIALLY WHEN KNOWING THAT THIS IS A SCARE TACTIC FROM THE COMPANY.

 

[Capn Lucky]

Tell that to the company, I'm upset as well. It still does not justify someone who is employed at TSA right now deprive himself of more pay to take care of himself and his family. I don't care who tells me not to pick up open time or even if DARIO himself tells me my name will be put on a "scab" list if I do. I should not be deprived of more income because of any of this.

Pull your head out of the sand and realize that the company didn't furlough these guys because some of us are picking up open time.

Its a personal decision, but it is still customarlily bad form. If you must, look for time that someone wants to drop before you pick up time that a reserve who could fly.

On another note, I just got a voice mail from a friend who got called in. He apparently got an expedited interview with Co-Ex.

 

[D'Angelo]

Hey TSA guys don't let these union thugs bully you into not picking up open time. If its there, and your legal for it I say go for it. You get the extra money and there is no conclusive proof that it really makes a difference. I picked up OT back during the furlough at comair and it didnt affect the staffing level one bit. People have the right to choose to pick it up without being harassed. Sure i got some $hit for it but I really don't care. Theres not a darn thing they can do about it. If anyone from the union tries to harass you for picking up open time which your contract allows you to do I say fill out a claim. Goto the national right to work foundation. They will help you out. http://www.nrtw.org. If you get harassed or intimidated you do have options and can get the union smacked hard. It never got that bad for me however I certainly did hear an earful from those blowhards.

 

[rjacobs]

I dont think it is in the opspec that we cant do long range cruise. I know all of our block times are planned for high speed cruise. I came back from denver the other day at long range cruise and we ended up being early because of a tailwind. If I had a head wind I might or might not fly long range cruise. If we flew all flights over 1 hour in length at LRC we would save a ton of money. Something on the order of 5-600 pounds per hour for about a .1 mach loss i.e. .67 for lrc vs. .77 for hsc. Maybe this is not the case, just my own number crunching, but I dont have the big picture.

Also MB is back on the line next month because he wanted to, it just happened at about the same time as the "We are making people managers of TSA Holdings so they can take care of both companys for cost savings" memo came out.

 

[temcgrew]

D'Angelo, thanks for the kind words because I get none from these guys. I'm not sure why they don't get it.

TSA pilots are being pressured into not picking up open time, while the whole industry knows we are below average pay already. I cannot believe the audacity of the union blowhards to tell me that I should not try to make extra money!!

. With that mentality you should go work for Go Jets. With that mentality you'll fit right in......me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.....I'm speachless

I believe you have it backwards, kinda seflish for the union to prey upon guys who might NEED the extra money and use scare tactics like this to keep guys from doing it. Not all of us can get fired and still earn a living for over a year.

I believe it was made clear that the union could get in hot water if the company filed a complaint.

And then you go and throw the "you should go to g0jet" crap out there, don't you think I would have if I wanted to? Shut your pie hole and leave guys alone. 75% of the TSA pilots listened to the union crap when we voted on this issue in the first place, I'm sure the vast majority of the ones who "voted it down" and followed the indirection of the MEC are feeling like they should have voted the other way now. All this stuff about not picking up open time isn't even being discussed by the union, which havent' updated the VARS since the 1st of the month. Do you think they are as dumb as you are? NO WAY would they support this? And I'll do whatever I want to EARN MONEY FOR MY FAMILY within the bounds of my great ALPA CONTRACT which I am greatfull for.

BAD FORM? Isn't it bad form to neglect your family because some retard on fi.com warns you not to?

Any more great leadership ideas for all of us mindless followers?

 

[millhouse21]

You know, the fact that D'Angelo is in favor of picking up open time right is a great argument against it. I won't say nobody should pick up overtime right now but I will say that anybody who does should just send in their app to Go Jet. There, I said it.

 

[temcgrew]

You know, the fact that D'Angelo is in favor of picking up open time right is a great argument against it. I won't say nobody should pick up overtime right now but I will say that anybody who does should just send in their app to Go Jet. There, I said it.

Great, more open time for me!!!!

Thats the dumbest comparison I've heard yet

 

[bendover]

Corn Hulio doesn't give a crap about thier pilots. they don't even give them a couple of weeks notice on the furloughs, So just remember it goes both ways When its time for you to quit to go to another job. Just walk and don't bother giving the low lives a two week notice. Just like they didn't bother. It works both ways. Trans States is one of the worse companies in aviation to work for. Period.

 

[AGuyThatFlys]

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