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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704032704575268720519844844.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
FAA Probes Whether Pilot Sought to Cover Up Mistake
By ANDY PASZTOR

Regulators are investigating whether the head of flight operations at Trans States Airlines forgot to turn on one engine of a commuter jet while preparing for take off, then allegedly tried to cover up the mistake, according to government and industry officials.

The probe prompted the Federal Aviation Administration to temporarily bar Michael White, the airline's former chief pilot and currently its director of flight operations, from flying passengers. He has since been reinstated after passing a proficiency test, but the incident has prompted high-level concern inside the FAA, these officials said.

The agency is continuing to look at whether Mr. White tried to hide a mistake, and whether other airline managers tried to mislead regulators after the incident, according to these officials.

Mr. White has said that the engine shut down on its own, and the airline supports his position, according to people familiar with the details. Mr. White declined to comment for this article.

Spokesmen for the FAA and the airline, which operates flights for United Airlines and US Airways, confirmed the investigation into the incident but wouldn't elaborate.

"We have been fully cooperative with the FAA," the airline spokesman said.

The incident initially attracted FAA interest in what officials thought was another example of pilot distraction. In the past six months, at least one other crew flying for a different commuter carrier forgot to turn on both engines before starting to rev up for takeoff. Afterward, that airline revised its pre-flight checklist.

But the Trans States investigation has taken an unusual turn. The FAA has opened an enforcement case and is investigating allegations by other pilots that Mr. White tried to cover up his mistake. Some Trans States pilots also have told investigators that they felt airline management tried to pressure them or intimidate them to back up Mr. White's version of events, according to people familiar with the investigation.

Labor-management tensions at the airline are already high, with the pilots' union locked in stalled contract negotiations with the airline.

"We don't believe that any member of management has tried to dissuade pilots from telling anything" to the FAA, said the spokesman for the airline, a unit of Trans States Holdings Inc. of Bridgeton, Mo. He added that the FAA has "never told us there was any kind of investigation involving intimidation or coercion" of pilots.

FAA officials said allegations of a cover-up, if true, are disturbing because the regulator expects pilots and airline managers to promptly and honestly report safety lapses—even if they are serious—so other crews and carriers can benefit from lessons learned. If Mr. White or other members of management are found to have attempted to cover up a mistake, the airline could face financial penalties.

In March, Mr. White and another senior Trans States pilot were at the controls of a two-engine Embraer jet getting ready to take off from Washington Dulles International Airport near Washington, D.C. As the aircraft started to rev up, cockpit warnings that only one of the two engines was running prompted the pilots to pull off the runway and taxi back to the gate.

Mr. White wrote in the logbook—and told mechanics and fellow pilots at the time—that the engine had shut down on its own, according to people familiar with the details.

Two other Trans States pilots who were passengers on the plane concluded from sounds they heard that only one engine had been started up, they later told investigators, according to people familiar with the investigation. The plane's maintenance records also showed that one engine had never been started up, according to these people.

Shortly after the incident, a senior management pilot told one of the pilots in the back of the plane that maintenance data backed up Mr. White's version of events, according to a person familiar with the investigation. The pilot told investigators he interpreted that as indirect pressure to support Mr. White's statements, this person said.

The airline asked all four pilots who were passengers on the plane for copies of written statements they had submitted to the agency, according to people familiar with the investigation. Two of the pilots told investigators they felt that was another subtle form of intimidation, these people said.

The company removed the two men from flying duties before the FAA took the same action, according to people familiar with the case, and gave them additional training. The FAA required them to pass a proficiency test, which they did. Both pilots have returned to flying status. The other aviator is a senior pilot who checks the proficiency of other Trans States pilots during recurrent training sessions.

Trans States flies more than three million passengers annually, using 27 regional jets to serve 46 cities. Trans States Holdings also controls GoJet Airlines LLC, which flies 25 Bombardier regional jets for United Express, operating out of hubs at Chicago, Denver and Dulles.

Write to Andy Pasztor at [email protected]


See here I sort of feel bad for the guy because how many people have done this, and nothing came of it? Hundreds at the least I would guess.
 
Forgetting to start an engine is not the problem, it happens, and the situation tends to fix itself since engines take too long to start for for even the dumbest pilot to attempt to do it on the take-off roll. The problem is the head of flight operations at an airline doesn't have the judgment to admit to a minor mistake. If I'm an FAA investigator, I'm wondering how his poor judgment affects other parts of the operation.

I don't think that emergency removal from his position of DO is out of the question given the extraordinarily poor judgment displayed if he did, in fact, try to cover the incident up. The problem is, it sounds like there is a bit of a conspiracy to cover up the incident. If that's the case an emergency removal of all involved from their positions would likely ground the airline. Ug...
 
"We don't believe that any member of management has tried to dissuade pilots from telling anything" to the FAA, said the spokesman for the airline


NOO??? REALLY??? You don't believe so????? Shocking.......
 
Two other Trans States pilots who were passengers on the plane concluded from sounds they heard that only one engine had been started up, they later told investigators, according to people familiar with the investigation.

That's awesome. I have real respect for fellow pilots who are willing to sell out their brothers. I'm sure the guys up front appreciate that.

What happened to "I was sleeping and didn't see anything?"

Gup
 
That's awesome. I have real respect for fellow pilots who are willing to sell out their brothers. I'm sure the guys up front appreciate that.

What happened to "I was sleeping and didn't see anything?"

Gup

Entirely depends on who is up there. Ever fly with anyone who had no business on a flight deck?
 
I think you have it wrong.

That's awesome. I have real respect for fellow pilots who are willing to sell out their brothers. I'm sure the guys up front appreciate that.

What happened to "I was sleeping and didn't see anything?"

Gup


I don't think anyone would consider MW a fellow brother or pilot. You do not know of what you speak. Reread the article, he is not a line pilot but the DO and a member of the TS holdings management.
 
That's awesome. I have real respect for fellow pilots who are willing to sell out their brothers. I'm sure the guys up front appreciate that.

What happened to "I was sleeping and didn't see anything?"

Gup


I would normally agree with you, but this was a very much disliked management pilot.
 
Pilots fly so impaired from fatigue that someone attempting a takeoff without an engine running is bound to happen at some point.

How many times has a first officer started running or a captain called for a before takeoff check only to realize that just one engine is running.

Impairment from fatigue should be just as much a focus as steril cockpit.
 
That's awesome. I have real respect for fellow pilots who are willing to sell out their brothers. I'm sure the guys up front appreciate that.

What happened to "I was sleeping and didn't see anything?"

Gup

I appreciate the buddy system to a degree, but it has got to have limits. I have never written another pilot up, but when the feds come asking, and that guy is obviously lying to cover up his mistake, you are under no buddy-buddy obligation to participate in the conspiracy.

I hope you feel the same, after your next routine surgery, when the doc slips up, leaving you paralyzed.

We wouldn't want the other surgeon ratting him out, now would we?
 
Pilots fly so impaired from fatigue that someone attempting a takeoff without an engine running is bound to happen at some point.

How many times has a first officer started running or a captain called for a before takeoff check only to realize that just one engine is running.

Impairment from fatigue should be just as much a focus as steril cockpit.

I guess the fastest way to address the fatigue issue would to require that a pilot be in base 24 hours before duty................
 
I guess the fastest way to address the fatigue issue would to require that a pilot be in base 24 hours before duty................

in a padded room, within a building where everyone wears a muzzle and therefore can't make enough noise to disturb anyone's rest.

:-D
 
That's awesome. I have real respect for fellow pilots who are willing to sell out their brothers. I'm sure the guys up front appreciate that.

What happened to "I was sleeping and didn't see anything?"

Gup

Just out of curiosity if a policeman beat you in front of other officers would you expect and encourage his union brothers to toe the blue line? I generally find your posts informative and well balanced, above is unconscionable to me though.
 
That's awesome. I have real respect for fellow pilots who are willing to sell out their brothers. I'm sure the guys up front appreciate that.

What happened to "I was sleeping and didn't see anything?"

Gup

We all make mistakes, but some people make mistakes at a rate significantly higher than the norm. As professionals, we have an ethical imperative to cull the "meatballs" from our flight decks.

To that end, I don't advocate on snitching on guys who make an honest mistake. However, when there's a pattern of incompetence and disregard its better to send them to pasture than let them smear plane load of passengers a quarter-inch thick and a half mile long.
 
I'm curious as to how many of the posters here with the "supportive statements" for the pilots involved have actually read the article before opening up their trap-hole with their fingers.

As far as the "I was sleeping and didn't hear anything statement, when Safety of Flight is involved, that goes out the window. Your wife or kids could have been on that flight.
 
Just out of curiosity if a policeman beat you in front of other officers would you expect and encourage his union brothers to toe the blue line? I generally find your posts informative and well balanced, above is unconscionable to me though.

The article said they "tried" to take off on one engine. Do you think that is even possible? I'm no more than average intellegence and I can see amber lights flashing at me when I'm on one engine. There is even a high probability that I would see the "big" yellow light starting at me on the before takeoff checklist.

To that extent I will say that there is virtually NO possible way to even attempt a takeoff on one engine. Therefore, for your "brothers" in the cabin to stab you in the back is "not cool" in Gups book.

I got a couple PM's explaining how big a ****************************** bag the guy is so I "get it" but still feel uncomfortable selling a brother out.

Would I lie for you? Nope.
Would I volunteer to shorten your career? Hell NO.

Gup
 
The article said they "tried" to take off on one engine. Do you think that is even possible? I'm no more than average intellegence and I can see amber lights flashing at me when I'm on one engine. There is even a high probability that I would see the "big" yellow light starting at me on the before takeoff checklist.

To that extent I will say that there is virtually NO possible way to even attempt a takeoff on one engine. Therefore, for your "brothers" in the cabin to stab you in the back is "not cool" in Gups book.

I got a couple PM's explaining how big a ****************************** bag the guy is so I "get it" but still feel uncomfortable selling a brother out.

Would I lie for you? Nope.
Would I volunteer to shorten your career? Hell NO.

Gup

I disagree on the selling a brother out. If someone is that bad of an apple and prick, they deserve to be put through the ringer. 95% of airline pilots fall into the spectrum of nice to fly with, nice to be with, not too cool for school, but not too prickish. The other 5% deserve what's coming to them. The oddball thing is, I do agree that taking the runway with one engine running is fairly low on the safety hazard spectrum. On the other hand, the whole intimidation and low ball degrading work conditions by TSA management is a huge blip on the safety screen and this DO sounds like a big contributor to that.
 
The fact that they attempted a single engine t/o is no big deal. THAT can happen to anyone. The EMB-145 WILL let you do this with no warnings. You will only catch it by a scan of the instruments.. Where the problem lies is that this POS DO treated every single pilot at tsa as if they buried their manhood is his mom and then into him. He would fire people for no reason, he would physically rip pilots' badges off of their neck and then kick them out of his office. He furoughed pilots then recalled them only to furlough them again after their arrived into stl. If you sneezed the wrong way he would terminate you without blinking...but...he screwed up and then LIED about it.

To top it off, he lied in the aircraft logbook. Doesn't an atp require a pilot to be of good moral character? HE F"N lied about it. I hope he is terminated, loses his license and cries like a little beeeeoootch behind the trash dumpster.
 
The fact that they attempted a single engine t/o is no big deal. THAT can happen to anyone. The EMB-145 WILL let you do this with no warnings. You will only catch it by a scan of the instruments.. Where the problem lies is that this POS DO treated every single pilot at tsa as if they buried their manhood is his mom and then into him. .

Surely you also see a PROBLEM with the incompetence of the crew. Nice guys kill people too and need to be dealt with.

Crews that taxi onto an active with only one engine are conducting themselves in a manner which is open to all sorts of errors, ranging from the wrong flaps to not having enough gas. Many of these errors do not have ding-ding-dings as a backup and many will kill people.

We are all capable of making such errors, which is why we must all conduct ourselves in such a way which prevents and captures the mistake. That means sterile cockpit, proper checklist usage, etc etc.

That doesn't mean automatic termination. But even if this crew were nice guys, and did the right thing and wrote it up properly, their actions would require attention, investigation, and correction; whether the correction would be to company procedures or the individuals.
 
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That's awesome. I have real respect for fellow pilots who are willing to sell out their brothers. I'm sure the guys up front appreciate that.

What happened to "I was sleeping and didn't see anything?"

Gup

Lets just cover up that hole in the fence at the end of 31C and pretend nothing happened.Shhh...
 
Buscap,

You are correct as far as the crew being incompetent. Not always, but usually the crew(s) that screw up are the ones that disregard the checklist/sop/fom/gom or parts of them.
 
Needless to say, that D.O. also stated that he never lied on OUT/IN times, never violated sterile cockpit rule, but had no morals to intimidate the TSA pilots with the death penalty memo. He had fired every single union-member in the negotiating committee if my memory serves me right. And got away with it.

As a former waterskier am I surprised that he finally fell over his own hypocrisy? No. And I don't even feel sorry for him and the other check airman. They get what they deserve. Justice finally seemed to prevail until ...

The latest GOM revision. It states that the D.O. no longer needs to hold a pilot's license and/or medical. Seems to me someone at the STL FSDO made some cash over the weekend. This sounds like some corrupt third-world country. Oh wait, we're talking STL ...
 
Just out of curiosity if a policeman beat you in front of other officers would you expect and encourage his union brothers to toe the blue line? I generally find your posts informative and well balanced, above is unconscionable to me though.

My thoughts exactly. It wasn't the fact that a mistake was made but if indeed someone lied about the error, the lie is far worse than the transgression itself.

Lying to an official inquiry is a sure fire way to get the axe. Then, how does one explain that to his/her next employer: "Yeah, I was a damn good <insert profession here> but I screwed up once and had to lie about it." People screw up. Take a few days off or a re-check and carry on. But to lie about it? That is what gets people fried.

With respect to LEOs who lie, look up "brady cops." Sure they may still have a job (rarely but it happens), but their credibility in court is gone. Law Enforcement, Pilots, Surgeons, Hairstylists, and a host of other professions have the ability to do some real harm if their heads aren't in the game. Learn from the mistakes, let the insurance companies handle the rest if need be, and move on.
 
"The incident initially attracted FAA interest in what officials thought was another example of pilot distraction. In the past six months, at least one other crew flying for a different commuter carrier forgot to turn on both engines before starting to rev up for takeoff."

I LOL'd.
 

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