Trans States and the J41

[Smiliner]

Heard the other day that TSA was getting rid of the J41's. Any truth to that? If so, at what rate are they leaving the fleet, and what will they be replaced by in STL?

Thanks.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

I have been told they are done with US Airways Express on DEC 1. Maybe that is where some of the talk is coming from?

 

[flyer172r]

Word on the street is that all the 41s will be gone by mid-summer next year. Take your pick on what you want to believe the reasons are: so far they include leases on the planes being up and not being renewed, contract for sim training expiring and not being renewed, high fuel costs on some of the smaller routes, etc. Don't think there's any word yet on what'll happen with all the pilots or what'll replace them, rumors are flying.

 

[210FR8DOG]

they are being replaced by CRJ-700s and if you don't mind taking a little paycut, you can go fly one too!!!!!

 

[Lil Jon]

according to the company the us j41's are out after dec 4, and the guys&gals are being displaced to the jet

 

[millhouse21]

Well, all the J41 capts have PC checks in Dec. Apparently, they are getting rid of the sim. To me, that means that all the aircraft will be gone within six months. Of course, there is no word from the company other than the notice of PC checks in Dec.

 

[Snaab]

Hola,

I was non-revving it the other day from BWI-GSO on a TSA J-41 and asked the flight attendant about the J-bird. She said they are finishing Jetstream flying (at least out of RIC) on 12/04/05. I think she said all were moving over to the ERJ. Hope that helps.

Snaab

 

[millhouse21]

All the FOs are moving to the EMB. A few CAs elected to go to EMB FO to stay in RIC. A few are getting displaced to J41 CA in STL and the rest are going to EMB CA in RIC. BTW, it appears that tomorrow will be the last day of revenue flying for the J41 out of RIC. There is no official word (of course) or explanation but all of the flights after tomorrow are shown as "canceled" other than a few repo flights to STL. It is a sad day.

 

["GO AROUND"]

I flew em in TWE and DCI colors, it was a fun plane to start the airlines in but they were dog's. Especially with Hulas, no air cart hook up worthless cold air in the summer. Crawled in one one freezing morning last winter and the FO was wearing 6 layers of clothes with every light turned up, windshield heat on trying to get warm like I used to do. Forgot how small it was. Don't miss that, ahhhhh the APU that BAE forgot. Punka louvers, torches, tyres, screaming garrets, oh yeah that's where they put the APU's on the wings, ahhh the nightmares.

 

[millhouse21]

Oh yeah, I guess it's not all that sad.

 

[Marko Ramius]

You know it really wasn't that long ago(5-7 years) that people were happy to fly planes like this, bragging to their friends that they didn't have to start out on planes like the Metro, J32 or the 1900 b/c they were 'high time'. Now you'd think it was some sort of an insult to have to fly a cabin class turboprop. Oh well I guess the same thing is happening with the 30-50 seaters versus the -900's or E170's.

 

[SennaP1]

Flaps, Flows, APR...

Stuffing Napkins in window seal so no TYPE 1 gets all over...

RIP

 

[Cardinal]

Now you'd think it was some sort of an insult to have to fly a cabin class turboprop.

It can be difficult to keep the faith at times, but I am content with my lot in life. Still a pleasure to pass the jets like they're standing still on a closely spaced final.

 

["GO AROUND"]

You know it really wasn't that long ago(5-7 years) that people were happy to fly planes like this, bragging to their friends that they didn't have to start out on planes like the Metro, J32 or the 1900 b/c they were 'high time'. Now you'd think it was some sort of an insult to have to fly a cabin class turboprop. Oh well I guess the same thing is happening with the 30-50 seaters versus the -900's or E170's.

Cabin class turboprop? I hope you're not talking about the 41. You can't call it Cabin class, it has a cabin but the smallest for a 30 seater. I was happy to fly it when I did, but no passenger ever was.

 

[NTS ALL 4]

Cabin class turboprop? I hope you're not talking about the 41. You can't call it Cabin class, it has a cabin but the smallest for a 30 seater. I was happy to fly it when I did, but no passenger ever was.

I was the only passenger many times going to work. I loved to rip all the seat cushions off and lay them on the cabin floor like a bed and take a short nap. Talk about spacious cabin.

In the cockpit, the f/o's rigged a cup, paperclip, and rubber band over the ACM vent to get air across the cockpit instead of the f/o's side window.

Loved it...loved it!

Cheers!

 

[Twotter76]

Ahh yes the goodness that was an ALB or SYR overnight in the 41 when you got to the airplane the next morning and spent 45 minutes trying to get it to warm up. Or having a flight attendant pass out because its 120° in the back in august. Or forgetting to put the props on the locks - you all know you have done this. It was fun to fly once you got it off the ground though...

 

[Marko Ramius]

Cabin class turboprop? I hope you're not talking about the 41. You can't call it Cabin class, it has a cabin but the smallest for a 30 seater. I was happy to fly it when I did, but no passenger ever was.

Cabin class turboprop was just the pretty term that airlines used for all of the turboprops that had an F/A and a bathroom like the 41, ATR, Saab, EMB-120 etc. It differentiated them the Metro's, J32's, and 1900's. It's kind of like saying Legacy carrier instead of network major. I've ridden on the J41 many times, so I'm quite familiar of the discomfort. I don't think most passengers like RJ's much more outside of the lack of a prop(New E jets excluded). I rode one about a month or so ago, and it was great b/c most pax put themselves on the other flights operated by RJ which left plenty of room for me to get a ride. I still think it's funny that many pilots today seem to think flying those aircraft is for the Flinstones. Not a big deal in the grand scheme really, just interesting on an Arsenio "Things that make you go hmmmm," level.

 

[aa73]

Remember the post flight blade-spinning ritual?

Concerned passenger coming down the stairs: "Why are you turning the propeller?"

F/O: "Why, we're winding up the rubber band, Ma'am."

All in all, it was a great airplane to start out in but it got old fast. I blame my 1/3 loss of hearing on that thing (the other 2/3 was in the 727. Huh, what'd you say?)

 

[Shrek]

Turbine is turbine...........it takes a better pilot to fly a turbo-prop in general especially on a Junkstream.

Myscan I am sure went to crap as soon as I finished IOE on the EMB.......

 

[aa73]

Turbine is turbine...........it takes a better pilot to fly a turbo-prop in general especially on a Junkstream.

Myscan I am sure went to crap as soon as I finished IOE on the EMB.......

Actually the 41 had decent half-a$$ed EFIS - horizon and DG with airspeed tapes. You must be referring to the J31/J32 which had round dials.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Hola,

I was non-revving it the other day from BWI-GSO on a TSA J-41 and asked the flight attendant about the J-bird. She said they are finishing Jetstream flying (at least out of RIC) on 12/04/05. I think she said all were moving over to the ERJ. Hope that helps.

Snaab

I use to fly up on that flight to see family. It doesn't look like they're going to replace the GSO-BWI service period. It was pretty full the 5 to 6 times I've flown on them this year. Well, At least the 4:00pm was.

 

[Shrek]

Actually the 41 had decent half-a$$ed EFIS - horizon and DG with airspeed tapes. You must be referring to the J31/J32 which had round dials.

Yeah I was.....the J31....lol

 

[millhouse21]

It may seem hard to believe but I think the scan in the J41 is actually easier than than the EMB. I like the round altimeter because (in my opinion) it's easier to see small movements of the dial. I also like that it sits right next to the ADI and VSI is immediately between them. You can scan 3 instruments extremely rapidly. I always thought having to look way down for VSI on the EMB was harder. I really enjoyed flying the EMB and I expect that I'll be back in it sooner than I thought but the J41 is a really nice flying aircraft. Sitting in back does suck, though.

 

[great cornholio]

As of yesterday all of the J41s were gone from RIC. All 4 RIC 41s were repo'd to STL yesterday. As far as the service from BWI it looks like USAir is not going to replace what was lost when the 41s left. TSA is now going to only have 8 41s in STL. And it sounds like those will probably be gone in the summer.