Trans States: 1 Muslim Pilots: 0

[Guitar rocker]

Who gives a crap I am all for racial profiling, i don't care. Lets tap the phone lines, all of you liberals will complain if it happens again saying we weren't doing enough, if your not doing anything wrong then what do you have to worry about. I am sure george w doesn't care that joe in kansas is having a yard sale on saturday and not claiming it on his taxes.

That is a huge rack on that avatar.

Anyway, I agree. Liberals just flow with the wind. Point is, how many more 911's is it going to take before someone realizes that profiling might be a good thing? When was the last time a US citizen planned or actually went through with hi-jacking a US airline or any airline for that matter? DB Cooper maybe? But when was the last time a Middle eastern kid either planned or actually went through with it? Historically speaking, for the last many many years and as early as a month ago.........for all we know.

 

[Flyer1015]

when you have no argument or response, grasp at straws

There was not suppose to be an argument, it was simply correcting a factual error you posted.

 

[Flyer1015]

That is a huge rack on that avatar.

Anyway, I agree. Liberals just flow with the wind. Point is, how many more 911's is it going to take before someone realizes that profiling might be a good thing? When was the last time a US citizen planned or actually went through with hi-jacking a US airline or any airline for that matter? DB Cooper maybe? But when was the last time a Middle eastern kid either planned or actually went through with it? Historically speaking, for the last many many years and as early as a month ago.........for all we know.

Everyone think about this for a second:

the down side of RACIAL-BASED-ONLY PROFILILNG.


Just follow me here.

If we profile all Muslims and/or middle-eastern-looking people, what the government effectively tells all Muslims is that they cannot be trusted.
Why does that matter?

Consider this.

Who stopped the UK airline terror plot from being carried through? It was INITIALLY a tip given to British authorities by good members of the Muslim community in the UK. Some of the upstanding good muslims overheard of this UK airline terror plot, and decided to come forward and tip off the authorities.

The authorities then took action, and the entire UK airline terror plot was foiled.

The way I see it, credit goes mostly to those good muslim community members who decided to speak up.


NOW, consider what would happen if there was racial profiling for all Muslims and middle-eastern-looking people.

What that implies is that the government does not trust ANY Muslim anymore.

As such, the good upstanding Muslims will then start to distrust the government, and fear the government/authorities.

Then imagine if they DO hear about some terror plot about to go down... out of fear and lack of trust, they decide to stay quiet and not tell the government... because they feel the government doesn't trust them, and the government treats even the good Muslims as potential terrorists.

So because they remain silent out of fear, the authorities don't get tipped off about the terror attack.

Next thing you know, the terror attack happens.

THis UK terror plot could have EASILY been carried out... since all materials involved were liquids that were allowed on board. Not even profiling would have stopped these men with liquids from getting onboard. Profiling would have had them searched extra special, but the search would have turned negative, since liquids were allowed.

So I guess my point is that among the biggest weapons to fight terrorism is encouraging and supporting good Muslim members of America and Britain to speak up to the authorities if they hear ANY plan or attack about to happen.

By profiling, we will effectively tell all Muslims that they are treated as would-be-terrorists, and that would create fear and lack of trust in government from the good Muslims' viewpoint. Once that happens, we can forget about getting any tips to the authorities regarding potential attacks.


Anyway, I hope you see the point:

The best way to fight Muslim extremists is to have the good Muslims on our side, working for us, to help stop terrorism.... not treat them like they are all potential-terrorists to be.

[See the argument above]




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[Coool Hand Luke]

Not sure what you are trying to insinuate, but you are correct in your assumption that I am pro-military and anti-muslum. You can say whatever you want about my Pope, I still won't go out in the street in front of my house and burn a pillowsack in the likeness of one of your holy clerics. Why is it so hard for you to admit that this religion breeds fanatics? And please explain, what education gaps on history did I miss that having had such, as you suggest, would "teach me something"?

And yes, I WAS Flame(ing) about the guys' last name being Hussien. Thanks for taking the bait. My co-pilot today wanted to know what I was laughing so hard about. I was laughing at you. Thanks!

Maybe we should round up all these sand nigger savages and gas them. Or maybe we could just put them in camps. You know, because history didn't teach us anything. And apparently whatever education you have didn't teach you anything, either.

Here, let me say it for you: White Power!

 

[Golden Falcon]

flyer 1015 yes we are all immigrants and we also built the nation...did the natives...me thinks not..anyway I live over here in the "land of muslims" and the real true ones dont drink..but many locals do indeed partake..what to say..there are false believers in any religion...look at all the good southern baptists who sang jesus on sunday put on their white sheets and went "coon" hunting on monday...hypocrisy isn't limited to islam for sure and at any airline Iknow of, drinking in a bar in your uniform is a no-no for sure...especially on probation... what was he thinking

 

[Flyer1015]

And to add to my previous post, that was for RACIAL / RELIGIOUS BASED PROFILING *ONLY*.


I am all 100% for behavioral based profiling. Because that will stop both the white Richard Reid types and potential Middle Eastern terrorists.

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

I only read the first couple of posts, and althought they were posted by low time little snots, but you people are as dumb as dirt! Not all Indians are muslusm. Ever herd of Hindu?

OOHH, and the company he was fired from is owned by an Indian!! Dan Reed is also a worthless GOJERK bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PtP

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

Not sure what you are trying to insinuate, but you are correct in your assumption that I am pro-military and anti-muslum. You can say whatever you want about my Pope, I still won't go out in the street in front of my house and burn a pillowsack in the likeness of one of your holy clerics. Why is it so hard for you to admit that this religion breeds fanatics? And please explain, what education gaps on history did I miss that having had such, as you suggest, would "teach me something"?

And yes, I WAS Flame(ing) about the guys' last name being Hussien. Thanks for taking the bait. My co-pilot today wanted to know what I was laughing so hard about. I was laughing at you. Thanks!

All religons breed fanarics you idiot!! Have you seen the "Jesus Camps" for the little christian warriors yet??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PtP

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

You know the problem with this whole situation is that we are trying to stop weapons from getting on airplane rather than stopping the enemy from getting on the airplane. Think about it...

You must have been breed from the Bush klan the way you talk a about weapons.......................

PtP

 

[WAZUP]

Everyone think about this for a second:

the down side of RACIAL-BASED-ONLY PROFILILNG.


Just follow me here.

If we profile all Muslims and/or middle-eastern-looking people, what the government effectively tells all Muslims is that they cannot be trusted.
Why does that matter?

Consider this.

Who stopped the UK airline terror plot from being carried through? It was INITIALLY a tip given to British authorities by good members of the Muslim community in the UK. Some of the upstanding good muslims overheard of this UK airline terror plot, and decided to come forward and tip off the authorities.

The authorities then took action, and the entire UK airline terror plot was foiled.

The way I see it, credit goes mostly to those good muslim community members who decided to speak up.


NOW, consider what would happen if there was racial profiling for all Muslims and middle-eastern-looking people.

What that implies is that the government does not trust ANY Muslim anymore.

As such, the good upstanding Muslims will then start to distrust the government, and fear the government/authorities.

Then imagine if they DO hear about some terror plot about to go down... out of fear and lack of trust, they decide to stay quiet and not tell the government... because they feel the government doesn't trust them, and the government treats even the good Muslims as potential terrorists.

So because they remain silent out of fear, the authorities don't get tipped off about the terror attack.

Next thing you know, the terror attack happens.

THis UK terror plot could have EASILY been carried out... since all materials involved were liquids that were allowed on board. Not even profiling would have stopped these men with liquids from getting onboard. Profiling would have had them searched extra special, but the search would have turned negative, since liquids were allowed.

So I guess my point is that among the biggest weapons to fight terrorism is encouraging and supporting good Muslim members of America and Britain to speak up to the authorities if they hear ANY plan or attack about to happen.

By profiling, we will effectively tell all Muslims that they are treated as would-be-terrorists, and that would create fear and lack of trust in government from the good Muslims' viewpoint. Once that happens, we can forget about getting any tips to the authorities regarding potential attacks.


Anyway, I hope you see the point:

The best way to fight Muslim extremists is to have the good Muslims on our side, working for us, to help stop terrorism.... not treat them like they are all potential-terrorists to be.

[See the argument above]




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If they think we don't trust them anymore maybe these muslims will start doing something about it. They could start with condeming terrorism, I have yet to see a muslim group out in the street condeming the terrorists instead they are out whining and complaining about Israel and it's right to exist. So until I see that I have no sympathy and could really give s#!t if their "feelings get hurt".

 

[waverider]

I am utterly amazed by what I'm reading here. I’ve never seen so many out of hand, arrogant, dumb a$$ comments as those that have been posted on this thread. Totally fubar.

Like some of the others have stated, they fired the guy due to his misconduct of being in a bar while wearing company dudes, and which was a violation of company policy. Trans States decision to terminate his employment was upheld by the Supreme Court, the nation’s highest tribunal. Race, national origin, religious beliefs, etc, cannot be considered as lawful grounds for termination. That’s the way Constitutional law works in this country. See the Bill of Rights. Misconduct while representing ones employer, however, most certainly is.

The fact that the Supreme Court did not reverse and remand the original ruling by the lower court speaks volumes about the invalidity of the appeal. That at some point he was seen in a public bar while wearing enough of his company uniform as to be identified as a pilot was sufficient in itself; hence the grounds for termination due to his misconduct. The defenses case would not have held up otherwise.

I’m not defending the guy, or condoning his actions; but, I don’t think it is wise to go around lumping EVERYONE who happens to be of a different race, origin, or ethnicity, as some here have been quick to do, into one dubious category or another just because you don't relate well to another’s culture, whichever it maybe. Let's keep the negative judgment in check.

 

[waverider]

I know this guy personally And "back to where he came from" is Northern California. He's a US Citizen Born in the US. He's actually a Fijian Indian. Drinking in Uniform is a whole nother story.

screech, I don't mean to be an a$$ and point this out, but the Supreme Court record states:

Hussein is a man of Indian descent who is a native of the island of Fiji, where
he was raised as a Muslim. He moved to the United States in 1997.​

That would indicate to me that he was not born in the US; though he may well be a US citizen. Correct me if I’m wrong about that.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

All religons breed fanarics you idiot!! Have you seen the "Jesus Camps" for the little christian warriors yet??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PtP

Truly profound.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Everyone think about this for a second:

the down side of RACIAL-BASED-ONLY PROFILILNG.


Just follow me here.

If we profile all Muslims and/or middle-eastern-looking people, what the government effectively tells all Muslims is that they cannot be trusted.
Why does that matter?

Consider this.

Who stopped the UK airline terror plot from being carried through? It was INITIALLY a tip given to British authorities by good members of the Muslim community in the UK. Some of the upstanding good muslims overheard of this UK airline terror plot, and decided to come forward and tip off the authorities.

The authorities then took action, and the entire UK airline terror plot was foiled.

The way I see it, credit goes mostly to those good muslim community members who decided to speak up.


NOW, consider what would happen if there was racial profiling for all Muslims and middle-eastern-looking people.

What that implies is that the government does not trust ANY Muslim anymore.

As such, the good upstanding Muslims will then start to distrust the government, and fear the government/authorities.

Then imagine if they DO hear about some terror plot about to go down... out of fear and lack of trust, they decide to stay quiet and not tell the government... because they feel the government doesn't trust them, and the government treats even the good Muslims as potential terrorists.

So because they remain silent out of fear, the authorities don't get tipped off about the terror attack.

Next thing you know, the terror attack happens.

THis UK terror plot could have EASILY been carried out... since all materials involved were liquids that were allowed on board. Not even profiling would have stopped these men with liquids from getting onboard. Profiling would have had them searched extra special, but the search would have turned negative, since liquids were allowed.

So I guess my point is that among the biggest weapons to fight terrorism is encouraging and supporting good Muslim members of America and Britain to speak up to the authorities if they hear ANY plan or attack about to happen.

By profiling, we will effectively tell all Muslims that they are treated as would-be-terrorists, and that would create fear and lack of trust in government from the good Muslims' viewpoint. Once that happens, we can forget about getting any tips to the authorities regarding potential attacks.


Anyway, I hope you see the point:

The best way to fight Muslim extremists is to have the good Muslims on our side, working for us, to help stop terrorism.... not treat them like they are all potential-terrorists to be.

[See the argument above]




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Thats a good point. Too bad that didnt work for 9/11, the USS Cole, embassy bombings, the Beirut bombing....how many soldiers got killed there again? Or all the attacks from insurgents in Iraq.

 

[Flyer1015]

Thats a good point. Too bad that didnt work for 9/11, the USS Cole, embassy bombings, the Beirut bombing....how many soldiers got killed there again? Or all the attacks from insurgents in Iraq.

But see, I doubt any American Muslim knew beforehand about 9/11. If they did, they would have spoken up. American Muslims, by far more than any other Muslims in the world, are "westernized" and liberal in that sense.

 

[TWA Dude]

I am utterly amazed by what I'm reading here.

You shouldn't be. Message boards are a virtual reality where people find it amusing to say things just to get others riled up.

 

[John Pennekamp]

This is by far the stupidest thread I've ever seen here. It quite possibly illustrates the need for moderators.

This guy was not fired for being muslim. He was fired for drinking in a bar in uniform on probation. HELLO!!! That's illegal at EVERY US AIRLINE!

That he played the race card totry and get out of trouble is dispicable. He deserved to be fired, and will stay fired, regardless of appeals.

 

[PositionandHold]

Not sure what you are trying to insinuate, but you are correct in your assumption that I am pro-military and anti-muslum. You can say whatever you want about my Pope, I still won't go out in the street in front of my house and burn a pillowsack in the likeness of one of your holy clerics. Why is it so hard for you to admit that this religion breeds fanatics? And please explain, what education gaps on history did I miss that having had such, as you suggest, would "teach me something"?

And yes, I WAS Flame(ing) about the guys' last name being Hussien. Thanks for taking the bait. My co-pilot today wanted to know what I was laughing so hard about. I was laughing at you. Thanks!

I guess it's your constitutional right to be stupid. And you are pretty stupid.

BTW, if you were laughing about that all the way to the cockpit about that... I hope, for your sake, that you were lying.

I am native american -you ass clown.

Yeah, I'm calling B.S. on that one.

 

[EdAtTheAirport]

First, it was not the Supreme Court; it was the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals.

He was not fired for drinking "in uniform." He was fired because someone, a TWA guy, alleged that he was drinking in uniform. His testimony conflicts with that of the waitress who was there. Trans States never investigated the truth of the claim before they fired him.

Wearing the plain white shirt and dark pants did not violate company policy. (Mentioned in court record) How many of you have just taken off your bars and wings and gone to a bar??? Were you "in uniform?"

 

[John Pennekamp]

Wearing the plain white shirt and dark pants did not violate company policy. (Mentioned in court record) How many of you have just taken off your bars and wings and gone to a bar??? Were you "in uniform?"

Never. I think it would still be pretty obvious you're a pilot. And you would still be giving all pilots a bad image by doing that. The general public already thinks we're a bunch of drunks.