Training Programs

[Jetter2]

How will you pay for that degree on $20k a year?

Our Community College is only about $1000/semester.

I make that in a month at my current job. Pay off my my PPL, and save for college!

 

[The_Russian]

350,

Everything you say about MAPD is the same sh!t I say about GIA. You whine about 250 hr. pilots in a turboprop thats easier to fly than a seminole, while your heavenly MAPD grads only have 50 hours more and are going into a jet.

Don't try to BS anyone by telling them that 300 hr pilots from your perfect school "don't need a babysitter". At least 90% of them will require instruction in their airmanship and knowledge for some time after IOE is completed.

Have you shared the flight deck with a MAPD grad? I didn't think so... You are forming opinions without any form of substance or evidence to back up your statements.

I don't ever want to hear you talk sh!t again about GIA grads or their employees. I don't have a problem with MAPD grads because they are just like GIA grads. Both are low time and in a good position to begin their careers.


Jetter,

Sorry to hijack your thread. Everyone on this forum is segregated by the different routes they took to get where they are, or where they are going.

My suggestion:
1. Go to college.
2. Fly while in college
3. Pick your next move without listening to anyones opinions. It doesn't matter how you build your time as long as YOU put your all into it. GIA, MAPD, FlightSafety, Comair, Pan Am, Ari Ben, ATP, PFT, FAA, your FBO, ERAU, FIT, RAA......... They are all good flight schools if you work hard.

SSDA - Same Sh!t, Different Airport.

 

[pilotyip]

College not necessary

College degree is not necessary to make $100K/yr in the flying business. This following example in the model of success in pursing flying job. We just hired a 20 year old pilot, 1 year of on-line college credit completed, started working the ramp pumping gas in high school, got hired hauling cargo in SA-227 as an F/O, at 18, got promoted to 208 Capt at age 20, he has 1600 TT, 1100 MEL, 350 Turbine PIC, 1450 total turbine, he is starting as a DA-20 F/O at S33K, he will be a DA-20 Capt the day he turns 23, he feels he will have his degree completed by the time he is 25 or 26 years old. At that time he should have 5200 TT, 4700 MEL, 5050 Turbine, 3200 hours 121 time, 1200 121 Turbo Jet PIC. He will have his on-line BS degree in Aviation Management, and no debt. He will be interviewing with the 4 or 5 year traditional college graduate for his first airline job, The traditional 4 yr degree guy who has TT 1200 350 MEL 15 Turbine. Who is the more competitive? As I have posted before you can fly full time and do your degree on the side on-line, but you can not be a full time on-campus student and build Turbo Jet PIC. Airline jobs go to those with Part 121 Turbo Jet PIC time in the 1,000's of hours, the degree is not needed, and I am talking about great jobs at AirTran, Spirit and Jet blue. Airlines that do not let the degree thing get in the way of picking up a highly qualified pilot. I have seen it happen too many times. Yes but you may not get to interview at UPS, but then again lots of college degreed guys never getteh chance either.

 

[350DRIVER]

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The_Russian,

The only difference is that MAPD grads "earn" the job by the time they get to the line, you guys at GIA "whored" yourselves out and bought/rented that seat in a 1900, big big difference my friend. Once your 250 hours of "seat renting" time is up you are then kicked to the curb since fool #2 is ready to come in with a blank check in hand. You will be stuck regional X for many years, there is a reason that only a "few" select regionals will accept you guys after you are done renting the seat out in the 1900. Comair, ASA, XJT, Skywest, etc, would laugh at you so enjoy Peanuckle for many years...

Don't try to BS anyone by telling them that 300 hr pilots from your perfect school "don't need a babysitter".

Actually I have flown with more than a few of these guys, know check airman's over at Mesa that have said nothing but good things about these guys, etc, so you are way off my friend.


Why such a bitter attitude??....


Way to hijack a thread.....

Jetter,

bottom line is stay far away from Gulfstream, very easy way to ruin your career by "buying" or "renting" the right seat of a 1900 out. . This practice will come back and haunt you one day down the line. Please do a GIA search, plenty of "good" information regarding this program on here.


you have been warned....

bobby and all others will say the same thing....


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[OneBadLT123]

Saint Cloud State University has a program. Can't say if it is good or bad, but thus far my experience has been good. You get the exelent ground training of a 141 combined with the flexibility of a 61 flight part. Aircraft prices are dirt cheap (all flight is under $30k if you work your ass off and make the times which are reasonable).

The college is a normal state college so you will have to take non-flight courses and the place isn't a sausage fest (teaching department is pretty big here sooooooo ). If you are willing to work, you can do it in 3 years with all the flight ratings.

You can also take out student loans and they have a form that allows you to use the flight costs as part of the FASFA aid needed form.

neat, thats where i am attending this fall...
is that where you currently attend?
ohh and i also agree on it not being a sausage fest, when i was up there i was surprised...

 

[The_Russian]

If I saw you on the ramp in Miami, you wouldn't talk to me like that. You are just a kid. You are only 2 years older than me. You know nothing, and you will never know everything like you think you do already.

You will be stuck regional X for many years, there is a reason that only a "few" select regionals will accept you after you are done renting the seat out in the 1900. Comair, ASA, XJT, Skywest, etc, would laugh at you so enjoy Peanuckle for many years...

All regionals that our grads applied to have our pilots working for them. A bunch of our guys just went to XJT. My friend was just hired by ASA last week. PSA just took 20 of our guys. Colgan interviewed 19 last week. You say sh!t and you don't even know the truth. I don't know if anyone got hired by skywest, but I'll put a resume in just to p!ss you off. And when I get hired because of all of the great 121 exp. I have, you'll be the first to hear. And I'm not going to Airlink.

To put the icing on the cake once your 250 hours of "seat renting" time is up you are then kicked to the curb since whore #2 is ready to come in with a blank check.

It is an educational/work experience program.

MAPD grads "earn" the job by the time they get to the line

Define "earn" with respect to flight training at MAPD as opposed to other schools.

Reviewing the program at MAPD with a friend that went through the program and looking on the MAPD website, the only difference between GIA and MAPD is an interview. Paying for an interview is not honorable either if we put this in your eyes.

Actually I have flown with more than a few of these guys, know check airman's over at Mesa that have said nothing but good things about these guys, etc, so you are way off my friend.

I never said that they were bad pilots. You seem to think that they are really good. In fact, why have Captains in the planes when a MAPD grad is scheduled, it would save the airline money. I seem to remember one of the duties of the Captain being: Assists the Chief pilot in monitoring and furthering the progress of the Second In Command.

Im sure they are all great pilots. No different from GIA guys. Both schools have guys who can't make it and they are booted. It seems that you are a very one-sided person, who is stubborn with a whole lot of ignorance. Oh, and you also fail to be objective.

I surely don't and I don't treat Mesa pilots any different than any other regional pilot.

So, you treat all pilots like you treat GIA guys.

Have you shared the flight deck with a MAPD grad?

Not yet, but I would love to.

Way to hijack a thread.....

Hmmmm..... look at this......

labbats,

It is better to sometimes keep your mouth shut when you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

350.........SLAP

I read your post prior to editing.

 

[The_Russian]

more........

bottom line is stay far away from Gulfstream, very easy way to ruin your career by "buying" or "renting" the right seat of a 1900 out.

Thats funny, because all of our pilots who completed the FO program have careers.

Please do a GIA search, plenty of "good" information regarding this program

Most who comment on GIA have never even seen the building. Take it from someone who is there now. No one person on this thread knows what they are talking about when they make negative comments on GIA.

The majority of people that are "against" this practice are those that are "stuck" looking in from the outside who feel that they are owed something by this industry.

How you feel about GIA. You are a hypocrite. Did you think I wouldn't remember your posts from the past year I've been on here. Are you nuts man?

 

[pilotman2105]

As you can see, this is as controversial a topic as anything else on this board.

My suggestion is to get a degree is something other than airplanes, but do the flight training prior/during your college career. Work hard and study hard. And be aware of "get rich quick," "pay for type ratings," and other "seems-too-good-to-be-true" offers.

Saint Cloud State University has a program...

SCSU is a pretty good place. Quality school with a very good FBO at the local airport. Very reasonable prices as well. Definitely worth a look.

Just my $0.02.

 

[bobbysamd]

More misleading anti-college advice

College degree is not necessary to make $100K/yr in the flying business. This following example in the model of success in pursing flying job. We just hired a 20 year old pilot, 1 year of on-line college credit completed, started working the ramp pumping gas in high school, got hired hauling cargo in SA-227 as an F/O, at 18, got promoted to 208 Capt at age 20, he has 1600 TT, 1100 MEL, 350 Turbine PIC, 1450 total turbine, he is starting as a DA-20 F/O at S33K . . . . .

No, it is not a model of success. In fact, it is highly atypical, especially in this era of difficult hiring. His new-hire was, at the least, extremely lucky. Most people are not that lucky. Moreover, Yip is, perhaps, a more enlightened pilot recruiter because of the credentials he accepts. Nearly everyone else looks for a degree. Finally, Yip's example makes a very dangerous assumption - that one will actually be hired with only minimal education qualifications. Remember, there are always far more pilots available than there are jobs - with a great many, if the not the majority, of these pilots having some college and/or four-year degrees.

Yip always argues that those who go to college before flying lose time they could otherwise use to build experience. Once more, some places simply will not consider people who do not have degrees - and I'm not talking strictly about the majors.

Let's take Yip's example one more step. Why bother finishing high school? You can solo at 16, get your Private at 17, and your Commercial at 18. So, to get a bigger head start on building hours, drop out of high school as soon as you get your Private and get your G.E.D. Your parents will certainly love that. Then, start building hours for your Commercial. Et cetera. Et cetera. Following that route will make you even more competitive than Yip's new-hire . . .

Yes, it's the hours that matter, nothing else . . . . Once more, not earning the degree puts you at an immediate disadvantage. Ignore advice to the contrary - get your four-year degree.

 

[bobbysamd]

Wait a minute . . ..

Reviewing the program at MAPD with a friend that went through the program and looking on the MAPD website, the only difference between GIA and MAPD is an interview.

That's not accurate. Your friend should know better and so should you. Bottom line, MAPD is a 141 flight school. The only express promise it makes is it will train you for your Commercial-Instrument-Single-Multi. MAPD does not promise or guarantee interviews with Mesa - although it implies strongly that those who follow the program will be interviewed. And, being interviewed does not mean being hired, although MAPD grads have excellent chances of being hired.

Once again, some MAPDers are not interviewed. I had a student while I was there who had managed to antagonize nearly everyone. He was assigned to me because I was a new instructor. In time, he antagonized me. I went to the Chief Instructor but kept it professional, telling him that this student was not scheduling with me as he was supposed to and was not meeting his deadlines. The Chief Instructor finally told me that there was no way he could send this person to Mesa for an interview, but the student would be allowed to finish the program.

MAPD is a flight school. Gulfstream is not a flight school. Big difference between the two.

 

[350DRIVER]

The_Russian,

I can never seem to be amazed with your attempts at justifying this program and comparing it to the likes of the MAPD's of this industry.. Completely a different animal all together, bottom line. You can put lipstick on it, dress it up, etc, etc, but the bottom line is that this program is indeed one of the easiest ways to ruin a career. You are not even flying for a regional yet let alone you continue to make comments about how "successful" you will be in moving on after the regional level where you are not even at now.(go figure) It is very simple my friend, the majority of pilots in this industry understand the ramifications of this practice and most (that I have come across) will not even give GIA grads the time of day or respect since they deserve very little if any at all. It is easy for you to continue to hide behind the screen name but there will be a point and time where you certainly will be called on your past choices. What would happen if GIA didn't charge "first officers" to rent a seat out?? You got it, they would actually have to "hire", "train" at their cost, and "pay" a pilot at respectable wages, not $8.00 per hour.....If you can live with yourself then great, you are the one that must wake up every morning, look in the mirror and accept the choices that you have made, not I or anyone else on this board. Most aviators take pride in knowing that they "paid" dues to get to where they are present day versus handing over a blank check to "rent" a right seat out of a 1900 for 250 hours. The MAPD grads earn everything prior to being hiring, GIA pilots buy the job.



I have stated many times and will continue to post in opposition of this program. Anyone that would be willing to spend close to $19,000 to "rent" a seat out should have their head examined. I can speak from experience regarding a good friend of mine who is on an interview board (not a regional)who will have HR intentionally bring in a few former GIA grads in to interview just to "play" with them prior to laughing them right out the door, I praise his actions and hope that he continues to shoot those down to make this poor career choice... Ask around, surely you can figure out what airline I am referring to my friend. It is very simple and elementary, a good majority of those sitting on interview boards present day got to where they are by blood, sweat, tears, and lot's of sacrifice, not by throwing $19,000 to sit right seat in a 1900.. I love how you continue to drink that GIA kool aid and you are "untouchable" and will not have a problemin trying to advance after the regionals... You may not get the last laugh my friend... Do some make it? Sure.... Others do not however.

Time shall tell but surely better you than I and 99.99999% of pilots who frequent this board.

If I saw you on the ramp in Miami, you wouldn't talk to me like that. You are just a kid. You are only 2 years older than me. You know nothing, and you will never know everything like you think you do already.

I can honestely say that I wouldn't give a rats a$$ if it were on the ramp at MIA or PHX, would not matter.... Wait till you leave GIA and are faced with those that are dead set against this program/practice and will make your life a living hell.. You are not yet there yet so keeping buying into your hopes, dreams, desires, etc, which are far from reality.. Ask the Peanuckle guy who was recently fired due to a run in with a captain who was a former GIA grad.... Life will not be all fun and games once you hit the line at another regional. You don't have the experience, background, etc, to be making comments about "life after GIA" since in reality you are NOT yet at that stage. Come back and report to us in a few years when you have something of substance to post versus highly opinionated posts that have very little bearing on reality.... I don't know anything? **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** for someone who is in his 20's that knows "nothing" I think it is fair to say that I have done quite well for myself thus far. And ya wanna know the best part of it? I never had to "whore" myself out and pay anyone a dime to sit right seat in any aircraft. . . (that should make ya happy)

All regionals that our grads applied to have our pilots working for them. A bunch of our guys just went to XJT. My friend was just hired by ASA last week. PSA just took 20 of our guys. Colgan interviewed 19 last week. You say sh!t and you don't even know the truth. I don't know if anyone got hired by skywest, but I'll put a resume in just to p!ss you off. And when I get hired because of all of the great 121 exp. I have, you'll be the first to hear. And I'm not going to Airlink.

Ok, any of the above mentioned regionals have "agreements" such as the one that is in place with Peanuckle to take you guys? I kind of thought so... Peanuckle is the only regional that has anything in writing to accept someone (GIA grads) at a low time all others must meet the street minimums for that carrier. Surplus has always exceeded demand in this industry and you are looked at as just another "number". If you are not going to Peanuckle and are going elsewhere then you must have went into this "seat renting" program with quite a bit of total time. Sad that you had to p!ss away all this money and not get hired without the help of this program, I laugh when I read these types of stories... How much total time and multi-engine time did you have upon entering this program?

It is an educational/work experience program.

Now that is a quote for the ages... An educational/work experience with paying pax in the back?, nice... If only the paying public knew that this was taking place up front. I truly feel for your captains who have to babysit on top of having to fly the aircraft. Making $8.00 (or around there) to be a first officer?! come on....

Define "earn" with respect to flight training at MAPD as opposed to other schools.

If you knew anything about this program then no explanation would be needed. They are not "renting" any seat out, they are pushed to the limit from day 1 until completion and if they cannot keep up then they are washed out and sent home. It is an insult to the utmost when you even compare this program with yours, not even close... They are "given" nothing, everything is earned... What do you want to know? I would be more than happy to go into detail if you would like.

Reviewing the program at MAPD with a friend that went through the program and looking on the MAPD website, the only difference between GIA and MAPD is an interview. Paying for an interview is not honorable either if we put this in your eyes.

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** they really make you guys drink some good kool aid down there, your marketing department must sell so much propaganda that you are forced to buy into it. Are MAPD grads "renting" a seat out? Whoring themselves out? making $8.00.hr as a first officer? The above was quite comical..

Im sure they are all great pilots. No different from GIA guys. Both schools have guys who can't make it and they are booted. It seems that you are a very one-sided person, who is stubborn with a whole lot of ignorance. Oh, and you also fail to be objective.

I am actually quite objective and understanding when someone brings something of "substance" to debate and discuss but in all of your "supporting" GIA posts and threads I have yet to see anything other than opinion and arrogant comments. When you have the time, experience, knowledge, etc, to debate this issue then I would be more than happy to do it again but beating a dead horse get's very old after you do it enough times.

Report back to us when you are actually out of the nest and flying for another regional.


bobby,

Allow him to get out into the "real world" and then he will see... Sometimes things are better left unsaid.

MAPD is a flight school. Gulfstream is not a flight school. Big difference between the two.

you sure about that?!?! LOL With age comes wisdom so they say, we will see if this holds true with Mr. Russian... He does not have the work experience nor the knowledge of the industry to make any posts of substance.. 100% all opinion which shouldn't surprise anyone on this board that has been in this "game" for any period of time.


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[Jetter2]

I don't really understand what all the beef is about. From what I have read on the website, they pay X amt of $$, and they get on the flight deck with a "babysitter" if ya wanna call it, and learn to fly that aircraft.

Is this program really THAT hated? I don't see how the information you learn at GIA, couldn't be transitioned over for say, an AE S340F deck.

I guess I don't understand why they are so hated. I'm not a big fan of the MAPD program, but then again, to each his own.

 

[another747]

350



As several others on this board have stated, I also find you to be somewhat rude and offensive. I also, by your tone, highly doubt you fly for any other airline than a commuter, if that. With an attitude like yours, you would make it past NO interview board. I AM on an interview board, and I sure as hell would never hire someone as abrassive as you.

You are also obviously not very observent of past circumstances. Your apparent airline has numerous, and I mean numerous pilots, many captains, who paid for their training through Flight Safety programs, and or Gulfstream style programs. I know this because EVERY airline has many pilots who paid for their "airline" training in someway. The 90's ring any bells for you? Probably not because you are too "young".

If you disagree with PFT, that is your perogative, but stop personally insulting other people, especially with you ignorance in the ways of major 121 carrier recruitment procedures/screening.

Regards,

 

[350DRIVER]

74-

If your opinion was shared by the majority of pilots then all would be well but I disagree and think that your opinions are in the minority. You are entitled to your opinions, beliefs, etc, as the rest of these members are and may I make a suggestion?. Use the "ignore" feature and you won't have to worry about my posts or threads or the many other anti-GIA posts that can be found here. 90's ring a bell? sure they do.


Does EAL/CAL ring a bell? I am sure the guys who crossed the line are "ok" too right? Looking at your profile though would leave no doubt that you came up through the school of hard knocks...... (.)


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[bobbysamd]

P F T

I don't really understand what all the beef is about. From what I have read on the website, they pay X amt of $$, and they get on the flight deck with a "babysitter" if ya wanna call it, and learn to fly that aircraft.

The point about Gulfstream and other P-F-T airlines is by paying for your training you are buying a job. In so doing, you are circumventing the system. Aviation is a conservative and traditional industry, in which newcomers work their way up the ladder. Those who try to end-run the system with money are resented, especially by those who've clawed their way up. At Gulfstream, you pay money to obtain 250 hours of right-seat 121 time, for which you are paid the $8 per hour. As long as you're paid, that is a job, and paying for your training at Gulfstream is buying a job, albeit temporary employment at best.

MAPD is different. Mesa gives dispensation to those who attend its flight school, but there is still no guaranteed hiring. Same with Comair (Delta Connection Academy).

 

[TopGun-MAV]

one word...TAB!

I went threw training at Tab less then a year ago, now i'm a qualified first officer.
They have financing, and almost everyone qualifies for it. you fly turbine equipment, no cessnas or pipers, no instructing, no fright and have bridge progams with the airlines. it's not that expensive. you will spend less than 100K there, but look at it lilke this. how much does it cost to go to law school?

maverick

 

[TRLpilot]

dang it, just when i was starting to get a good nights sleep again topgun-mav shows up. i thought we were blessed with your departure. oh well, maybe some good laughs are ahead.

yes, take topgun-mavs advice, spend $100k of dad's money and "master" the 1900 in less than a year.

 

[The_Russian]

As several others on this board have stated, I also find you to be somewhat rude and offensive. I also, by your tone, highly doubt you fly for any other airline than a commuter, if that. With an attitude like yours, you would make it past NO interview board. I AM on an interview board, and I sure as hell would never hire someone as abrassive as you.

You are also obviously not very observent of past circumstances. Your apparent airline has numerous, and I mean numerous pilots, many captains, who paid for their training through Flight Safety programs, and or Gulfstream style programs. I know this because EVERY airline has many pilots who paid for their "airline" training in someway. The 90's ring any bells for you? Probably not because you are too "young".

If you disagree with PFT, that is your perogative, but stop personally insulting other people, especially with you ignorance in the ways of major 121 carrier recruitment procedures/screening

Couldn't have said it better myself.

350,

Who cares how you get to an airline. Really. GIA is a great program that is very intense. You think we are playing around? We may be learning 121 life, but at the same time we are flying that aircraft. There is no play. The ones who do play get kicked out. Once they get kicked out its on their 121 record. Those people never get a job in the airline industry. Even Airlink refuses them.

I know very little about MAPD. That does not make me scared of their presence in our industry. YOU ARE AFRAID OF GIA! One, because they are entering the jet regionals and nationals at a rapid pace. Two, because you know nothing about GIA itself or the program. I bet you have never met one person from GIA. As an instructor I know that 99% of all flight schools produce the same type of pilot. If you spent any time instructing you would know that a GIA grad is no different from an MAPD grad. If someone is a bad pilot or lazy or whatever, they will be weeded out of the airlines some way or another.

can never seem to be amazed with your attempts at justifying this program

Just ask the Chief pilots of the airlines our guys go to. They are very satisfied. PSA is especially happy right now.

It is very simple my friend, the majority of pilots in this industry understand the ramifications of this practice and most (that I have come across) will not even give GIA grads the time of day or respect since they deserve very little if any at all.

What? I didn't buy a job. I am in a training program. I never gave the airline a cent of my money. If you want to get technical I paid the Academy money. They happen to be completely separate finacial institutions. Who do you think you are with this respect sh!t? I never asked for respect. He!!, 90% of people in airports don't give any of us pilots respect. And I never demanded respect from the likes of you and your disgruntled personallity.

Most aviators take pride in knowing that they "paid" dues to get to where they are present day versus handing over a blank check to "rent" a right seat out of a 1900 for 250 hours. The MAPD grads earn everything prior to being hiring, GIA pilots buy the job.

You ignorant fcuk I paid my dues. You know nothing about me and you know nothing about dues if you are supposedly in the right seat of a bus at 25! How did you get there so fast? I also nothiced you changed your avitar and put "bus" down below when AW wasn't even hiring. But, this I can only assume. However by your attitude I agree with 747.

Time shall tell but surely better you than I and 99.99999% of pilots who frequent this board.

Want a statistic? Less than 0.00005% of existing pilots visit this board. 99.88583% don't care about this sh!t. Nor do they care about your opinion or mine. Nor do they care to LISTEN TO YOU TALK SH!T TO YOUR FELLOW AVIATORS!

And what makes you think that what I bring to this board is opinion. Why would I waste my time trying to tell people whats going on with GIA if I am going to lie. Are you just telling yourself that I am putting unfactual information on this board to "stir sh!t up". Are you telling yourself that this really isn't happening and there is only one way to learn to fly or get to an airline? Give me a break man. And get a life. You know why you only see me every once in a while? Because I am flying my a$$ off and doing other things than bashing my fellow pilots every single day of my life. How many years have you been on here man. Grow the fcuk up. Become more open minded and maybe you can walk away from FlightInfo for a while and meet some nice people. Like the guys at GIA. Instead of always punching us we could be buying beers for each other. It's people like YOU who don't deserve to be part of this brotherhood of aviators. We are a small group of intelligent people who do the closest thing you can do to a space-walk every single day of our lives and you want to break us all up with your ill-will.

Thanks a lot 350. For your influence and knowledge of what is right.

He does not have the work experience nor the knowledge of the industry to make any posts of substance..

Your right. I have learned nothing from aviation. I never paid my dues with sweat on the ramp or in a spin tumbling to the ground with a student. I never got educated or read an aviation magazine. In fact, I never believed the rumors in the pilot lounge.

Does EAL/CAL ring a bell? I am sure the guys who crossed the line are "ok" too right?

That's a totally different subject. You nor I no anything about the hardships involved with those events. That comment just proves that you have difficulty forming your own opinion, and you only listen to the people around you. Why do I say that? Because you had nothing to do with it unless your father was a Captain at one of those airlines. I don't like the thought of a scab, but it doesn't get in the way of my daily life to the point that I even bring it up in reference to a subject like this.

Bobby,

I appriciate you calm ability to educate. Thank you for making that clarification on MAPD. However, I still do not believe that GIA is PFT. We will let it rest. Nosdrovia Comrade.

dang it, just when i was starting to get a good nights sleep again topgun-mav shows up

Top-Gun Mav is my favorite pilot!

one word...TAB!

 

[bobbysamd]

P F T

one word...TAB!

I went threw training at Tab less then a year ago, now i'm a qualified first officer.
They have financing, and almost everyone qualifies for it. you fly turbine equipment, no cessnas or pipers, no instructing, no fright and have bridge progams with the airlines. it's not that expensive. you will spend less than 100K there, but look at it lilke this. how much does it cost to go to law school?

maverick

(emphasis added)

This post says a lot more than it might appear on first reading. It has meaning on several levels.

It is a pro-P-F-T post and an anti-P-F-T post. Pro P-F-T because it proves that anyone - even a cretin like him - can become a "line" "pilot" if he/she has enough money. It is anti P-F-T for the same reason. Think about it.

"Mav" has broken his promise at least twice that he would no longer post. And that's what P-F-T is all about - broken promises. Go read some of the recent RAA posts to learn more about broken P-F-T promises.

Have another glass, "Mav."

 

[bobbysamd]

I appriciate you calm ability to educate. Thank you for making that clarification on MAPD. However, I still do not believe that GIA is PFT. We will let it rest. Nosdrovia Comrade.

Dosvedanya (sic). I'll show you my Poljot(s) if you show me yours.

Top-Gun Mav is my favorite pilot!

Mine, too. TABExpress F/O is my second-favorite.