"Traffic in sight"

[Traderd]

You're right in that it doesn't HAVE to, but it is. And it isn't going to change. Radio traffic in the U.S., for the most part, is from native English speakers, all from the same airlines going all over the country. And they all know and use the same idioms. That's the way they talk, everywhere, and nothing will change it. New guys listens to it, and start to talk that way themselves.

In Europe, all the non-native English speakers speak various proficiencies of English on aviation radios in all sorts of accents, so everyone has to stick to the script, just to be understood. Now, if every state in the U.S. had a different language, and their pilots learned English specifically to speak on the radios, THEN it would be like Europe over here.

There's the difference.

Bubba

Maybe one day... or at least we can hope.

https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/update/progress_and_plans/data_comm/

"Voice communication is labor intensive, time consuming and limits the ability of the National Airspace System (NAS) to meet future traffic demand. The use of Data Comm will lead to increases in NAS capacity and a reduction in flight delays. Data Comm will also enhance safety by reducing operational errors associated with voice communications, such as misunderstood clearances and instructions."

 

[FOAgain]

"SO SHUT THE F##K UP.............."

God, last night I heard another ".....no worries" as a response to a simple heading assignment by ATC.

Was it SWA? That was probably me. Too casual for your taste?

Ever think some of us get a a little tired of the Kernals out there sounding like complete dildos?

If there's anything my 12000 hours of 121 has taught me, it's the more FM/AIM scripture a pilot quotes, the scarier he/she is to fly with.

I'd love to chat padnah, but I gotta pull up my boots and take this here aeroplane to LBB. Ya hear???

 

[Dornier 335]

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In Europe, all the non-native English speakers speak various proficiencies of English on aviation radios in all sorts of accents, so everyone has to stick to the script, just to be understood. Now, if every state in the U.S. had a different language, and their pilots learned English specifically to speak on the radios, THEN it would be like Europe over here.

There's the difference.

Bubba

No.

I have worked contract over in Euroland and the Brits are very anal about their R/T even on domestic flights* (counting Scotland and Ireland). It's all about discipline and work ethic.

* forgive me Dublinflyer, just simplifying things

 

[SWA Bubba]

No.

I have worked contract over in Euroland and the Brits are very anal about their R/T even on domestic flights* (counting Scotland and Ireland). It's all about discipline and work ethic.

* forgive me Dublinflyer, just simplifying things

Actually, in my experience flying around Europe, including the UK (a lifetime ago), it's the damn British whose English is the hardest to understand. And I also remember a few "cheerio"s and other pleasantries thrown in. Although, other than thick accents, I had no complaints.

Other, non-native-English-speaking countries spoke more intelligible (to me, anyway) English, mostly by the book, and with little else added.

I guess your mileage may vary.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Maybe one day... or at least we can hope.

https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/update/progress_and_plans/data_comm/

"Voice communication is labor intensive, time consuming and limits the ability of the National Airspace System (NAS) to meet future traffic demand. The use of Data Comm will lead to increases in NAS capacity and a reduction in flight delays. Data Comm will also enhance safety by reducing operational errors associated with voice communications, such as misunderstood clearances and instructions."

This is a good point, and will reduce radio chatter in general. That is, it will someday, when the Feds get their act together, and actually implement this. However, I still believe that when American pilots routinely talk to American controllers over a radio, there will always be colloquial deviations from the AIM, and some amount of useless banter. It's in our nature. Getting upset about it won't change anything, other than your own health and/or well-being.

Bubba

 

[tomgoodman]

Maybe one day... or at least we can hope.

https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/update/progress_and_plans/data_comm/

If the controllers are also "nextgen", will digital clearances be accompanied by LOL, OMG, and JK?

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

I'd love to chat padnah, but I gotta pull up my boots and take this here aeroplane to LBB.

Let me guess: Cowboy boots in the cockpit.

 

[Traderd]

This is a good point, and will reduce radio chatter in general. That is, it will someday, when the Feds get their act together, and actually implement this. However, I still believe that when American pilots routinely talk to American controllers over a radio, there will always be colloquial deviations from the AIM, and some amount of useless banter. It's in our nature. Getting upset about it won't change anything, other than your own health and/or well-being.

Bubba

No doubt; as long as there's voice, what we've got is what we'll have. I like that phrase "colloquial deviations."

 

[Dornier 335]

Actually, in my experience flying around Europe, including the UK (a lifetime ago), it's the damn British whose English is the hardest to understand. And I also remember a few "cheerio"s and other pleasantries thrown in. Although, other than thick accents, I had no complaints.

Other, non-native-English-speaking countries spoke more intelligible (to me, anyway) English, mostly by the book, and with little else added.

I guess your mileage may vary.

Bubba

Dialects (and accents) and non-standard R/T phraseology are like apples and oranges.

Gotta love Scottish Centre

 

[Oh-ryan]

Settle down, Francis/Mach 80

Now I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that you are a guard monitoring hawk as well. You got your finger on the trigger just waiting for that errant chatter on 121.5 so you can jump in with an assertive, "On Guard!"

I love you guys... keep up the good work. Ten four. Over and out.