Kingairrick
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If you are above a solid layer and have blue sky above, chances are you can maintain the aircraft solely by visual reference. If you are flying a jet without, at least %50-80 of your scan inside the cockpit than I think someone needs to give you a swift kick in the bolars though! In every example I gave, there was no horizon reference. You don't need to be in the clouds to experience any number of visual and physiological pitfalls. If you go back to your instrument textbook in Chapter One, you'll find them there. Many people have flown airplanes into the water or snow on a clear day or spun an aircraft into the dirt on a clear moonless night. There are many situations where you need to put your head down and stay on instruments beyond just being in the clouds. Wouldn't you agree? That is why the definition states clearly...maintain the aircraft solely by reference to instruments not "when the aircraft is entirely enveloped in any of the FAA designated definitions of cloud-type visible moisture for a period which must exceed .01/hr"?! .... or something to that affect.Dodge said:If you are cruising along at FL330 and their is a solid layer under you from CLE to all the way to DEN, is still doesn't count as "sole reference to instruments." You still have a horizon out there. Now, I agree that you can't find I-70, but ya need to be in the clouds to be logging instrument time.
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Wouldn't you agree? That is why the definition states clearly...maintain the aircraft solely by reference to instruments not "when the aircraft is entirely enveloped in any of the FAA designated definitions of cloud-type visible moisture for a period which must exceed .01/hr"?! .... or something to that affect
Exactly... I don't log instr time, but rather take the page total and X.05% and use that number..... the KISS methodhabubuaza said:10 % of your total time, once your flying high performance jets for a living it's 5% of your total time.
Absolutely!But we also agree that logging any time on an IFR flight plan as IMC regardless of VMC weather is total BS, right ?
I can agree with Tired Soul's technique though. I really think it boils down to personal standards of integrity. Like someone stated...." is the FAA really going to perform a Wx history investigation" to check on your logbook accuracy? The real question, I believe, is, will a potential employer have a cow if you're showing a %50 ratio of Total vs IMC or with some individuals, apparently, a 2.5 logged, with a 2.5 IMC.......a 3.7 logged........3.7 IMC.......again and again consistently in their book!?Uncle Sparky said:The idea that you log every minute of an IFR filed flight as IMC just on the grounds of the type of flight plan is ludicrous.
That one is on an IFR flight plan has nothing to do with logging instrument time. The only requirement to log instrument time, in accordance with 14 CFR 61.51, is that the flight time logged as instrument time must be flown soley by reference to instruments.So you think that if you file IFR you should not necessarily log most of that flight as Instrument?
Part 61-g) Logging instrument flight time. (1) A person may log instrument time only for that flight time when the person operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions.
I mean if you are VMC but on an IFR, then that pretty much falls into the category.
Does that mean if you have the auto pilot engaged while in the clouds you shouldn't log that time?
It is interesting how the CFRs only talk about "simulated" when talking about time for a qualification.
I looked at my time and it is about 15% of my TT. That is for over 12 years of aviation experience so I don't think I am out "fat logging" instrument time.
IMO, if you are on an IFR flt plan, flying GPS Direct, Victor Airways, or etc. and this is how you are navigating, then it is Instrument time.
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