To the AirNet Puke who stole my seat...

[Caveman]

UEJ500,

I didn't take it as a knock on Comair. I knew that the name of the company involved was just incidental to your story. I only mentioned Comair in my reply to make the point that regardless of the company I still felt that the lady in question was well within her right to claim the seat ahead of an offline jumpseater.

 

[slowto250]

*****

 

[Brasgaucho]

What's with some of you and the idea that you are entitled to a JS because you are commuting? Seniority, first come first served, or off-line vs. company personnel are the rules. The fact that you are coming or going to work is irrelevant. Other people 'need' to be where they are going just as badly as you do. Most folks will do what ever is necessary to get as many on board as possible, whether it be writing a pass or riding the actual JS to let an off-line pilot have the last cabin seat. BUT, when there is only one seat left and my seniority, company affiliation or the time I showed up gets me on ahead of you...I'm going unless you can show me some extenuating circumstances, like a death in the family. I just don't see where you commuting to work has any bearing on the situation. The JS is a courtesy, not a right and nobody forced you to commute.

BTW, ACATERRY, this comment isn't directed at you because, frankly, I don't quite understand your whole situation. Apparantly he snaked you somehow, but just how escapes me. If he worked the system to bump you, then I agree it was a low blow.

BINGO!!!

 

[Rook]

not to bash eagle (love you guys for getting me home so much) but...

Trying to commute from DFW-SPS on Eagle post 9-11. Some guy wanted to do an observation ride in the jumpseat on an SF-340. Believe he was a new-hire cuz he wasnt in uniform. Long story short he took the flight which was wide open so I couldnt jumpseat. The last flight to SPS was overbooked so went to my alternate LAW. Little out of the way (from 10 min drive home to 1 hour drive home. DFW-SPS is much shorter by air). Probably just picked the wrong day to j/s on eagle but the dude doing the obs ride was able to get back on the last flight out of SPS that night. Yeah I know i'm crying but dude had no love lost for a guy that commutes.

Rook

 

[100-1/2]

I think the point has been lost.

It seems Mr. A$$face may have given acaTerry the impression, that he was aware of the consequences of his actions (changing his mind pass/js). I would speculate Mr. A$$face was just as oblivious to acaTerry as he was to the boredom form the chic he was hoping to bone.

I don't know him personally, but I have corresponded over time and acaTerry is a stand up guy. We weren't there to know if he is blowing it out of proportion or if Mr. A$$face needs a brotherly blanket party (denied boarding for effect).

Overall, I think this is a 'situational awareness' issue. AirNet lost it and maybe even was attempting to impress someone with his 'status' (pass/js). Sounds like it turned out in the wash where acaTerry came out a few bucks lighter, in any case. Bum deal. It is obvious aca has a grasp of the process with WN while A$$face ( is their a limit to how many times I can say that?) had no clue nor did he apparently care to as reflected by acaTerry's perceptions.

All carriers policies vary in priority in pass and js privilages, this should be a lesson or refresher to know the system and process for the carrier you intend to use and always have a plan B or verify bookings of intended flights.

It also sounds like the ground staff failed to recognize the impact of the events and maybe tell Mr. A$$face his actions were unnecessary and would inadvertently cost another rider some bling. Possibly a professional approach and discussion with Mr. A$$face regarding the procedures and policies he may not be aware of would have yielded a better solution. If Mr. A$$face continues his course then it seems a ritual killing or at a minimum, maming in some form is seriously on order.

This goes right in line with the junior flight crew bumping a js due to 'weight restrictions' on the last flight out of the night when that guy is trying to get home for a day or two.

JS/Passes are privilages and not rights. They can be revoked or ammended at any time. We saw this on 9-14-01. If I were in this situation, I would view it like this:

I am driving down the road and I see a set of shoulder boards and pilot uniform hitchhiking, broke down or changing a tire. I don't stop and ask whether he is mainline or express, WN or AA. I help him out, take him where he is going and trust one day the favor will be returned.

I also truly believe, what goes around comes around, and Mr. A$$face might be due if acaTerry's assessment is accurate.

100-1/2

p.s. -Terry, been in the sandbox lately?

 

[boxjockey]

Again, I'm sorry for your inconvenience. I also commute, two legs each way, and I understand how frustrating it can be. I worked for AirNet up until a year ago. At that time, we had an unlimited jumpseat agreement with WN. Many of their pilots traveled with us, late at night, in order to make a commute home or to work. I traveled on them several times, and never had a problem. I'm not sure exactly what transpired this particular day, but perhaps this person simply needed to be educated on the finer points of getting your fellow pilot to work. Sometimes the A$$face isn't trying to be just that. Perhaps sometimes it's simple ignorance that rules the day.


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P.S. You can find my many fine philosophical works at your local bookstore, or Amazon.com .

 

[starcheckdriver]

I am confused about a few thinbgs and would appreciate it if someone could clear it up. First, what is unlimited jumpseat vs. not unlimited jumpseat? Second, what is a PASSWRITER? I have not heard this terminology. Thanks guys and if the Airnet guy was an a$$, I apologize on behalf of him and our company.

 

[Lexy]

I was bumped once after a long 4 day trip trying to get from RIC to STL. I was in CVG, a two leg commute is tough enough, but being stuck in between really bites. I was bumped by a wife of a Comair pilot who was going to the overnight with him! I was talking to her and she didn't seem to care that I had been gone for 4 days, two days off and had to use one of them to commute back!! She scurried on to the airplane pretty quick when her name was called.

And she should give up her seat so you can get home? Get real. If you can't hack the commute then move. Would you have wanted your wife/girlfriend or whatever to give up her seat if she was coming to see you on an overnight? Yeah, didn't think so.

 

[Standby 1]

In the past 6 months, I've given up the j/s to other pilots who were in more dire straights than I was. Twice I've had another pilot give up the jumpseat for me when I was in a bind. It's called professional courtesy. And yes, in regards to the pilot's wife scenario, if I were jumpseating out to my husband's RON and a pilot was trying to get to/from work, I would indeed give up that jumpseat. But that's just me.





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[Captain Morgan]

Maybe she was ovulating and that was the only time they could have a kid... I dunno maybe freight pilot's think of everything! j/k

 

[acaTerry]

If it clears things up any, I am at a different airline now than ACA (best of luck to you guys). I won't get all wrapped up in whose fault it is that we only have a 2 seat-limit relationship with WN, but I will say it is NOT WN's fault.

This kid had a pass of some sort, maybe even a real ticket, but it sure as heck was not a JS pass. The gate agent went by the check-in time of the pass the kid arrived with not the time of the JS list sign in. I don't know enough about the WN policy on this, nor do I think it is my place to comment on it, especially b/c the gate agent was doing his best to get me on, somehow.

I have been refused JS on Airnet both times I attempted in the past b/c "there was not enough room for a J/S-er". (And that was before I got fat!) I have no hard feelings about this b/c except for this kid, I have found EVERY AirNet pilot I ever met to be the kind of guy you want to have a beer with. I have no idea the snowjob he pulled to work there. But he does not fit their profile.

He had to know what he did b/c he avoided eye contact like I was a shark that had frickin lasers on my fricking head.

Anyway, I am ticked at this guy, but those of you who know me, you know how I like to explode for fun in here and get some laughs out of it. I call people names but we all know eachother usually. But overall, seriously, I still will remember this guy and he will pay.

Whoever said the remarks about commuters feeling entitled to a JS b/c they commute: I hope you too feel the pain of needing it one day. With the krap the airlines pay, and the way domiciles close, it's not a choice but a necessity for many of us. Perhaps you were blessed with enough money to live in domicile or got lucky enough to get hired into where you live, but not everyone has such luck.

Anyway, I'll just leave it at this: what he did was wrong. If his AirNet brethren see this thread, I am sure they will spread the word around the company about professional jumpseat etiquette and courtesies. After all, until this puke, I never met an AirNetter who was not a top-notch likeable guy. Perhaps he will be policed by his own.

 

[Flechas]

Regarding jumpseating rules and privileges, you guys that are bashing acaterry are probably right, but this is not about being right or wrong. It's simply about professional courtesy, like a few said. We are supposed to be together in this business, helping each other out as pilots, having management trying to screw us any way they can is enough, we don't need more than that.
In my short time in the 121 side of the industry, i've had a couple guys take a seat in the back just so i can make it to work, and I have also done the same a couple times.
Let's stay together guys, fly safe.

Flechas

 

[Lexy]

In the past 6 months, I've given up the j/s to other pilots who were in more dire straights than I was. Twice I've had another pilot give up the jumpseat for me when I was in a bind. It's called professional courtesy. And yes, in regards to the pilot's wife scenario, if I were jumpseating out to my husband's RON and a pilot was trying to get to/from work, I would indeed give up that jumpseat. But that's just me.


I believe from the post it seemed like she was just a non-rev that took a seat that the jumpseater thought he was more entitled to have. No professional courtesy issues involved. Why should his getting HOME be more important than anyone else?

 

[414Flyer]

not to bash eagle (love you guys for getting me home so much) but...

Trying to commute from DFW-SPS on Eagle post 9-11.
Rook

Why would you try to commute to SPS? Happiness is SPS in the rear view mirror.

 

[Ben Franklin]

I was commuting home Monday from the worst 4-day of my life and my airline switched to a smaller plane, making the flight overbooked. I signed up for the cackpit jumpseat knowing full well that another brother was trying to get home on the same flight. Being the awesome guy that I am, I listed for a seat in the back. My union brother came up about 30 mins after me and saw the situation at the gate and realized that he may not get home for a few more hours. I told him that it was cool, because I signed up for a seat in the back and the agents were talking about misconnects. Lo and behold, I got a seat and immediately gave up my jumpseat form so that my union brother could get home, too. They boarded 5 more non revs after me and filled up the plane. It feels good to help a brother out. I wish everyone would do it.


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[HAZ-MAT]

A couple of us "AirNet Pukes" were talking about this post last night and we have an idea of who it might have been. If its who we think it is, you're kinda right, he is a tool. I have no clue on why someone would wear a pilot shirt and put brown shoes on and kahkis on too. Most of us (with a drop of common sence) have a pair of black shoes and black pants so we can look like the rest of the penguins.

So anyways, I apologize for your encounter with someone who needs a reality check big time. Also, i remember a person by the name of Terry in college and if its the same person, you were a pain in college and you're kind of living up to it again.

 

[146guy]

good reply, that makes sence......hahahaha

 

[USC328]

ACATerry,

In order for us starcheckers to narrow down to whom this individual might have been and help educate he and the rest of our group, would you be so kind as to either pm his name to me or even give me the city pairs and date that he was travelling. I am based in our headquarters in CMH and was part of the discussion the other night trying to find out who it was. Our 2 "suspects" both claim that it was not them, and I do trust their word. Thanks in advance and on behalf of our pilot group, we do apologize for the inconvenience and disruption that it may have caused.

USC328

P.S. - We do travel on green passes frequently that are provided to us by the company. They are positive space, but my knowledge is limited as to if this would count as a jumpseat used when a limited jumpseat agreement is in place.

 

[328dude]

Had a commuting experience once with a AE guy trying to get home for his first child's birth. We had already pushed and the Captain went back to get him and I gladly gave up my seat so he could get home. Captain even asked me before he went back to the gate if it was ok. I told him he didn't even have to ask. We need to get this guy home. Beside's all I had to do was cut the grass.

To this day, I'll give up my seat for anyone that is in a bind. However, don't be a tool in that regard.

OBTW, my new AE friend made the birth by 20 minutes and I'm glad to report they had a healthy 7lb 9oz baby girl.

 

[ANSY31601]

Passes?

The funniest part about this so called Airnet guy writing a pass is that Airnet doesn't have passes or ID90's on any carriers whatsoever. Nice try.

 

[Sgt. Hartman]

I hope that people know that they are welcome on AirNet aircraft as long as there is a j/s agreement and there is room. I don't agree with what happend and I apologize for it. I hope after this we can all bury the hatchet.

 

[sleepy]

I just don't understand this? Somebody please explain how one off-line rider stole a seat from another off-line rider? Isn't it first come, first served?

 

[acaTerry]

ANSI31601
Whatever he had, it was NOT a JS form until he traded it in. After 4 yeras of commuting, I know what they look like for WN.

HAZ-MAT
Please don't take my "puke" as a label on all you AirNetguys. It is a term I reserved just for this kid. I thinkyou guys are great.

USC328,
Thanks for yours and the other interest by AirNet pilots. Itjust proves what I thought all along: that this kid didn't fit theAirNet profile. I only know 6 AirNet pilots, some of wwhich werestudents of mine one time. But they, and every other AirNet pilotI met are first-class good people.

Sleepy,
We've already addressed your question and I'm too tired to explain it again. Semper Fi bro.

Those who PM'ed me:
Thanks again for your concern. The 2 who I gave descriptionsto, don't go too hard on him. Just educate him. I don'twant anyone to dread working.

It's been about a week now and I have cooled off mostly now. I'lljust close with asking everybody to be a pro in the JS issue. Look at 328 Dude's story. Its that kind of thing that makes beingan airline pilot a brotherhood (don't feel left out gals). Idon't care if you are a 500 hour FO who listens to MP3's in cruise or a10,000 hour CA who reads Geriatrics Weekly. With management, the TSA,the public and the media all on our cases about so many things, we'reall we got so let's keep it tight. (Why do I hear the Notre Damefight song in my head?).
Thanks for the replies, all. See you on my next tirade!

 

[acaTerry]

There's that darn word spacing problem again!

 

[Checks]

This is one reason not to live in one city and work in another half way across the country. Buy a ticket next time if you really must be at work on-time OR grow a set of balls and approach the guy at the gate to discuss "your" problem with him. I am assuming you are a man not some 10yr old girl who believes in being passive aggressive after the fact.

Why anyone would come on here to try and solve an issue that has happened in the past is beyond me, grow up.

Cheers,

Soon to be A**munch #2

 

[Dangerkitty]

I have no clue on why someone would wear a pilot shirt and put brown shoes on and kahkis on too. Most of us (with a drop of common sence) have a pair of black shoes and black pants so we can look like the rest of the penguins.

Why would this dork even try to wear a "uniform"? SWA lets you jumpseat in business casual atttire.

 

[328dude]

To look cool and pick up chicks.

 

[sleepy]

To look cool and pick up chicks.

All I ever got from wearing an airline uniform around in a terminal was a bunch of old lady's asking me what gate flight so and so was leaving from.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

haha


and where baggae claim is

 

[acaTerry]

This is one reason not to live in one city and work in another half way across the country. Buy a ticket next time if you really must be at work on-time OR grow a set of balls and approach the guy at the gate to discuss "your" problem with him. I am assuming you are a man not some 10yr old girl who believes in being passive aggressive after the fact.

Why anyone would come on here to try and solve an issue that has happened in the past is beyond me, grow up.

Your reply displays such an extreme of ignorance that I shouldn't even dignify you with this response. You have just insulted me and every other airline pilot who can NOT AFFORD to live in domicile. We're not all collecting a big government check you know.
I see from your profile that you are /were an army pilot. What you said is the equivalent of having the army tell you to pay for your own move every time your base changes. How would that sound to you?
I was standing 3 feet from him with this and he saw and heard it all, so approaching him and making a scene of it there would have been pointless.
And finally, PLEASE do not join the airlines until you can fit your big freakin' head through the cockpit door. This Marine would LOVE to kick your back until you fit through! And at least have SOME idea what you are talking about before you insult us all.