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To hell and back — on a turboprop.

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DiverDriver

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Before anyone goes thinking I'm posting this so I can bash Mesa let me correct you. This is how the flying public views all of us. Most don't know (and don't care) about the difference between Mesa, AWAC, Skywest, Chautauqua, Republic, Shuttle America, Trans States, (whomever next week), etc...

I work at AWAC if you can't figure that out by other posts I've made. This article isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of us either. United needs to get its head out of its @ss and start putting the right equipment into the right market. They need to quit cramming people into greyhound stations (B61 Denver, F concourse ORD, G gates IAD). Why anyone is a return customer I really don't know. I guess they've become numb to the process over time and don't demand more.


To hell and back — on a turboprop

From: The Aspen Times


By Andy Stone
December 2, 2004


If I'm going to hell when I die - and I have it on very good authority that I am - at least the first part of that experience will not come as a surprise. I know what the scene at the gates of hell will look like.

It will be exactly like the scene that greets your eyes as you approach the end of the moving walkway in Concourse B of Denver International Airport on your way to the dreaded Gate 61.

For those of you lucky enough to have avoided this preview of d@mnation, I will note that Gate 61 is the departure gate for the United Express flights to Aspen (and, for that matter, Vail) that are operated by Mesa Air.

Mesa Air is the outfit that operates the dinky little prop planes (that's a technical term) that have taken over more and more of the flights into the mountains.

The other United Express flights, the smooth, fast, convenient ones using the bigger four-engine jets are operated by Air Wisconsin. I have plenty of complaints about Air Wisconsin, but there's no doubt about it: Air Wisconsin is Purgatory. Mesa Air is plain old hell.

The area around Gate 61 - just like the territory on the far shores of the River Styx - is filled with milling crowds of confused and suffering souls, dreading whatever lies ahead. The wails of the hopeless fill the air. There's no place to sit. There's no room to stand. Rasping screeches fill the air - in hell the noise comes from Satan's henchmen, at Gate 61 it comes from a cheap PA system ... but what, really, is the difference?

But the real parallel between Gate 61 and the gates of hell is that the deepest horror lies beyond.

Never mind the confusion, the delays, the screaming mobs of the d@mned ... I mean, the passengers. Never mind the long, dank hallway with well-meaning but helpless Mesa Air employees doing their best to keep things from falling apart. From the gate to the tarmac, the experience is either Third World or third rate (take your choice) - but still, never mind that, I'm talking about what comes next: the flights.

Mesa Air flies deHaviland Dash 8s - twin-engine turboprops or (to use that technical term once again) dinky little planes.

I have heard Mesa Air stewardesses tell passengers - in soothing tones - that the Dash 8 is "the perfect plane for mountain flying, the safest plane for this kind of flight." But the fact is, these planes represent a great leap backward in class, quality, comfort and service from the jets that used to handle all the United Express flights into the mountains.

The Dash 8 may be safe, but it flies lower and slower than the jets and it gets blown all over the sky.

On one flight I took recently, the weather was a little rough, nothing serious, but the Dash 8 got tossed up, down and sideways every minute or so. And the woman in the seat in front of me screamed - a real scream, filled with real terror - every time the plane lurched. She was not a happy customer and I cannot believe that she will gladly contemplate another flight to Aspen.

On another flight, the man across the aisle from me grabbed the stewardess before we took off and said, "I'd feel a lot better on a real airplane."

What happened? Somehow, when no one was paying attention, the air service from Denver to Aspen changed from deluxe to disaster.

And nobody seems to mind - except, of course, the passengers. Everyone once in a while, I read a comment in the paper from some PR flack explaining what great service we're getting. "Why, it's better than ever!" they exclaim. "Things are great!"

Well, I'm here to tell you that ain't the case.

In fact, the only consolation I can take is that when I do finally make that journey to my "final destination," across the Styx and into fiery d@mnation, I'll find that very same PR flack already there, burning in his own private pit.

I'll kick a clump of brimstone down on him and I'll scream, "Gate 61!"

He'll know what I mean.

Andy Stone is former editor of The Aspen Times. His e-mail address is [email protected].
 
OK, this is a rant!

DiverDriver said:
Why anyone is a return customer I really don't know. I guess they've become numb to the process over time and don't demand more.

Customers will always come back. Its just that simple. As long as there are airfares for $150.00 r/t from the Northeast to FLA, people will always fly, be it on a turboprop, small jet, whatever.. Price drives the market. Personally, I don't feel sorry for someone that has a "bad ride." We do our jobs safe and to the best of our abilities! I am sick of cheap airfares being subsidised by lowering labor's wages! **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** em! You get what you pay for.
Just my .02!
737
 
A scathing rebuke of the regional by a so called EXPERT. Maybe next time, he should ride the bus.
 
IADBLRJ41 said:
This guy from ASE flies so much that he calls the Mesa F/A a stewardess. Is he still back in the 70's??
Yeah, that retard should know the politically correct term is "Stew." Hey, I bet the bus ride from Denver to Aspen ain't fun either - nice windy roads...
 
Houston has one of those gates also, B-84. From that gate, you can go anywhere from Texarkana, Arkansas on a SkyWest EMB-120 to Toronto, Canada on an ExpressJet EMB-145XR. You've got to love B-84!
 
IADBLRJ41 said:
This guy from ASE flies so much that he calls the Mesa F/A a stewardess. Is he still back in the 70's??
Well it's better than "hey Honey"

Jobear
 
737 Pylt said:
DiverDriver said:
Why anyone is a return customer I really don't know. I guess they've become numb to the process over time and don't demand more.

Customers will always come back. Its just that simple. As long as there are airfares for $150.00 r/t from the Northeast to FLA, people will always fly, be it on a turboprop, small jet, whatever.. Price drives the market. Personally, I don't feel sorry for someone that has a "bad ride." We do our jobs safe and to the best of our abilities! I am sick of cheap airfares being subsidised by lowering labor's wages! **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** em! You get what you pay for.
Just my .02!
737
Well said. I too have little sympathy for the Greyhound crowd, that hoard onto our planes with ripped sweat pants and curlers in their hair. You paid $100 to fly half-way across the planet, what do you expect?????
 
So some small-minded liberal Aspen "Ken Doll" lost his RJ service to his little elitist village.He11,he probably even whined about that service,too!!

PHXFLYR:cool:
 
I can't say I have much sympathy for the writer. Lately they seem to pick on airlines when they run out of other things to write about. Almost everyone who has flown on more than once has a bad flight story to tell. I think that pilots are the only ones who notice these articles. To almost everyone else, they just look like more whining. Fly the same guy from DEN to Asspen in a J-31 or a Metro and he will sing the praises of the Dash.

I am tempted to email him to say, be a man, grow a pair, and deal with life's little discomforts like an adult. That would probably get ignored and would earn me the feared label of insensitive. I need another drink....
 
J-31 & Metro will not meet the climb gradient for 121 ops out of ASE.

Guess you havent spent much time around the ASE wannabes. They are needy and love to complain about the smallest things.

Now figure this one out. To be considered for low income housing in the Pitkin County area, you must make at least 100k a year.
 
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Thedude said:
J-31 & Metro will not meet the climb gradient for 121 ops out of ASE.

Guess you havent spent much time around the ASE wannabes. They are needy and love to complain about the smallest things.

Now figure this one out. To be considered for low income housing in the Pitkin County area, you must make at least 100k a year.
I know those aircraft probably won't make the cut for 121 ops in Aspen, I was just trying to use examples that everyone could agree are less comfortable then the Dash. I actually like the the Dash and think that it faded too soon, mostly from folks spoiled by an RJ.

As for the ASE wannabes, you are right. I cannot fathom what it must be like to be them. To actually be happy with what I have achieved so far, and ambitious for more, that idea must be completely foriegn to them.
 
What a kok. Being one who flys this aircraft on this route regularly, I'd like to publish some examples of Aspenite attitude in that same rag.

Like:

The time I was approached, cursed at, harassed, and told I was "incompetant" by a passenger in the terminal (in front of other passengers) when we were weather delayed.

The time a woman uncaged her poodle in flight and allowed it to urinate on the floor during the 20 minute leg.

The time a guy came up to the flight deck during my preflight brief and demanded we "hurry up with the paperwork" (He took the bus that day)

The times they've made the gate agents cry.

The time I held a plane 10 minutes to accomadate a late connecting couple. When they arrived at the gate and saw the Dash-8 they said I'm not flying on that thing, and insisted they were re-booked into the 146.

It never ends with these rich spoiled A-holes. Sometimes I actually enjoy making the PA and telling them that we've gone missed and will be returning to Denver. In those cases, I DO pity the poor FA.
 

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