To all the Fracs

[DO-82 driver]

Majik, very well put (for a VII driver).....I think you really painted the true picture as to why so many of us are at NetJets. We are the industry leader, paving into uncharted territory. Its not easy because we're the first to do it. Other fractionals will be looking towards us....and they already are.

This is our big chance to write aviation history...I hope our MEC can bring it home. Just have to keep the faith and remember that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

 

[niteflyr]

Finally

I have refrained from posting amidst all the frac bashing going on because I didn't want to be told I was drinking the kool aid or just happy to fly jets. I have flown many jets and that is irrelevant, and I have not drank any kool aid. You guys have summed up why I went to NJA also, I saw it as a new type of aviation business with a lot of potential and I wanted to be a part of it. I was tired of all the other places I had worked that have been in business for years but still don't know how to run a successful business in aviation, all the big guys are stumbling and they were before 9/11 . I too am hopeful the MEC will make this into the job it can be, but it is going to take some time and some battles yet to come. The company is holding tight onto their wallet and is no where near what they need to give.

 

[kingtut]

The company does not need to give anything with guys lined up around the block to interview. THAT's the problem. There ain't not shortage of guys and gals the want to come to NJA will to work for the current pay.

Only gonna get worse. The majors are gonna dump a bunch more.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Also consider how long it takes for them to actually get someone from first day of indoc to flying the line......this place is not known for its efficiency in getting pilots "line ready".

They are short crews right now due to the number of people moving into the Excels, 400xp's and Sovereigns. Scheduling can barely cover what they've got and they don't want to sell off anymore trips then they have to.
If the MEC is going to play its hand, tney are going to have to do it within the next few months.......75K for a 5 year captain ain't gonna cut it!!!!!! I think we'll see something in the line of 95K to 105K for a 5 year guy plus some retro, not to mention retiremnt and other goodies.

 

[NJAowner]

Owner Termination of Contracts

I have written about this before. Those of you who have seen (or signed) actual NJA owners contracts know that the owners can not (repeat can not) just get out of their contracts if there is a strike. There may be (or will be) issues with NJA, but there is no absolute out for the owners.

Plus, as I have noted before, in the event of a strike my opinion is most owners will support NJA, not flee from it. (Keep in mind who most of the owners are and their opnions on organized labor). Just my 2 cents.

 

[DO-82 driver]

That's fine Mr. Owner....but remember...you get what you pay for.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

That's fine Mr. Owner....but remember...you get what you pay for.

so...what does that say about all the Netjets pilots now?

thats not really a fair statement..

 

[x402]

There may be (or will be) issues with NJA, but there is no absolute out for the owners.

Plus, as I have noted before, in the event of a strike my opinion is most owners will support NJA, not flee from it.

That seems to be their only choice. You can go out and do your own charter or let Netjets provide you with a vendor if availible. I don't believe there is enough excess in the market to meet day to day demands, let alone peak periods. Yes the owners may be management and owners of Fortune 500, but some perks are priceless. I think this is one of them.

 

[sparticusflt]

I think we have a pretty good idea on what the owners think of organized labor. Fact of the matter is, without the union in position you would really see some tired pilots out there. If it wasn't for poor management leadership throughout the years then you wouldn't have a need for unions. I'm not a fan of being a teamster, there is no pride in that fact. I do believe that without a union of some sort then nothing will change for the better. What clients, or passengers don't realize is certain unions help protect them just as much as they protect their pilots.

I can't remember who the pilot was that is currently shopping around for a better job then NJA. God knows there are a bunch of them last I heard only one of them is hiring and SWA has a real long line of resumes. Delta, United, NWA, American, Continental, if only the wheels would start turning again.

NJAOwners pack lighter bags our backs are killing us. Duffles people. Work with us on this.