To all CAL guys... from a furloughed pilot

[vtwo]

Flygirlqt has been a scab apologist ever since she got hired at CAL. She is a "future scab" as sure as the sun rises in the east. We have a scab out here in Guam (who is STILL proud of what he accomplished as an MEC member during POS 02) who tells everyone and anyone that we will be lucky to hold onto what we have.... McCarthy was a prophetic American. With his upbringing, it's no wonder he was able to sniff out all that corruption. God bless the Fox Valley.

Are the initials of the Guam SCAB?
A C?

 

[talespin]

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That is all I can ask and hope to achieve. I appreciate you listening to in the least another point of view unlike your other former awac counterpart Steve above.





I'm all about another point but I feel I need to give you a little history about me.

I wasn't much older than you in 1983 and true it wasn't my fight, but I was there. I come from a family who believes in the unity of the group, not the himself/herself attitude. My family member didn't cross the line in 1983 and by doing so never went back to CAL. I was barley out of grade school in 1983 but every Tuesday I was walking the line with a sign in my hand, with all the others, whom in my opinion have great integrity. It was an education that will never leave me. It sounds like maybe you were there as well, maybe on the other side of the line? Only you know what your family could or couldn't live with out. I understand you feel you have to support the decision that was made in 1983, and I know it must be a horrible thing to have at your door everyday. You don't need to defend your family member to me, it would be better you just kept that to yourself/family. I mean no disrespect to you and if I'm way off base than I apologize. After reading yours and AWACoff post it became a little more clear why you took offense to my post. Having said that I will still listen to any reasonable suggestions.

I like many other will never forget or forgive any action taken by a person who will trample his fellow trench mate in order to gain for himself/herself.

 

[CopilotDoug]

You guys can jump all over RIF for posting this, but it is exactly true. One of the only market forces we can control as pilots is not working for companies that treat pilots poorly. But, like he said, there are literally thousands of guys pounding on the door for the same crappy jobs, so this will not change.

WHY WOULD A COMPANY GIVE YOU MORE MONEY???????????? There are thousands of guys willing to take your job if you quit. Good luck. It is sad because I, too, had hoped to transition to commercial flying and be able to make a living wage.

I have to agree with Voice of Reason and Milky. There's no excuse to NOT know what you are getting yourself into. $32/hr first year pay? No health insurance for 6 mos??? BIG Red flag...

As long as there is a line of pilots around the corner who are still mesmerized by the flashing "Legacy Carrier" sign atop the roach motel...don't count on conditions getting better.

Best of Luck getting a new job, WillFlyForFoodNot

 

[whatitdoing?]

You people have no clue what you're talking about. Do things suck at CAL.....right now? HELL YES!! Are we happy, HELL NO!! But to say that CAL is a cockroach airline is clearly wrong. Do things have to improve? Yes they do and will. We're under a POS contract that was signed to "save" the company. Right or wrong, that's the situation. But it's a different pilot group. We're starting to get some really good people in the union and I'm confident that we'll get an improved contract. Can it get any worse? We have...or had....3 year fo's as Capts making over a 140 grand a year. Where else can you say that? We fly modern planes and we have a ton on order. We have 30 or so 787's coming (whenever that is) and the word is that we'll use all options up to 60 of them. Can you say movement? How about all the new 737's coming? Sure it's a 0 net gain since we're getting rid of a bunch, but it's a higher pay scale. A few more years and we'll get the 65 idiots out the door and them BOOM....there's tons of movement. Look, non of us are happy right now, but I'd venture a guess that few are. We're going to turn things around, but to just say that CAL is a roachmotel airline....you're an idiot and obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Do things suck at CAL.....right now? HELL YES!! Are we happy, HELL NO!!

Get used to it. 'Nuff said.

 

[4got2flare]

Things are changing, Slow is an understatement. Glacially is more appropriate.
You must look at the history of the company and the actions of the group then and now. The pilot group has gone from a group that the company can do no wrong to asking questions and not completely burying their head in the sand. Everything takes time...
We have new leadership running for office in EWR, true unionists. We have the junior ranks who make the least $ at the company yet are the majority of the LTVRF's attempting to save some bottom guys job.
The Junior ranks of the the pilot group gave the company the finger for overtime flying. Do you really think Larry wanted to pay CA's 1.5 @ 4:30 per day to run the schedule. When has that happened in the past??
When has the MEC turned down an offer for a pay raise no matter how small to give the company what they wanted?
It is changing... I see it changing, the guys I fly with see it. Maybe if you pull your head out of your a$$ you could see it to.
No one said it was easy, no one said it was fun. Time to think of the pilot group as a whole instead of only thinking about yourself.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Get used to it. 'Nuff said.

Ya, Nuff said.......what have you been saying? Keep blowing smoke out of your arse. You apparently have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Ya, Nuff said.......what have you been saying? Keep blowing smoke out of your arse. You apparently have no idea what you're talking about.

What I'm saying, Whatitdoing, is YOU deserve better pay. Your fellow pilots deserve better pay. BUT...as long as there is a line of pilots around the corner to satiate managements wet dream of low cost labor, you're going to be looking at more of the same for the foreseeable future.

 

[SMOE]

Things are changing, Slow is an understatement. Glacially is more appropriate.
You must look at the history of the company and the actions of the group then and now. The pilot group has gone from a group that the company can do no wrong to asking questions and not completely burying their head in the sand. Everything takes time...
We have new leadership running for office in EWR, true unionists. We have the junior ranks who make the least $ at the company yet are the majority of the LTVRF's attempting to save some bottom guys job.
The Junior ranks of the the pilot group gave the company the finger for overtime flying. Do you really think Larry wanted to pay CA's 1.5 @ 4:30 per day to run the schedule. When has that happened in the past??
When has the MEC turned down an offer for a pay raise no matter how small to give the company what they wanted?
It is changing... I see it changing, the guys I fly with see it. Maybe if you pull your head out of your a$$ you could see it to.
No one said it was easy, no one said it was fun. Time to think of the pilot group as a whole instead of only thinking about yourself.

Best post I've read in a long time.

What's really got me concerned is that Poco Hole Pilot hasn't chimed in yet and we're on page 4...

 

[whatitdoing?]

Look, we're wanting the same thing. It's going to change, but it's going to take awhile. We recently told management to pound sand with their LOA. It completely caught management by suprise because they thought we'd roll over. The key is that we DIDN'T!! Sure, those 148 plus 30 or so question marks are hostages, but that's expected. It a shame, but that's the fact. CAL isn't what it use to be years ago and I firmly believe that whoever is here is going to be in a great position in a few years. As far as the questionable types, you have them at ALL airlines. I've flown with and met them at every airline that I've been on. Whether it's on their j/s or my j/s. Some of the worst have been DL guys and AA guys. So to say that an airline as a whole is a cockroach airline with no future is ignorant. Time will tell. If we don't get huge improvements in our QOL issue with Contract 08, you'll be right and I'll resign. Most of the senior guys or ones that are living outside of their means won't resign, but a HUGE amount of FO's that have started in the last few years will. I refuse to work under another contract like this in the future. If you look at other airlines like DL, AA, Airtran, Southwest, NW, and United....you'll see that it's not all peaches and cream.