Time For SkyWest Pilots To Step Up

[Bluto]

As the inventor of the term SJS, I am offended that some of you consider it a cliche. It is a real problem, and should be treated as such. Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step towards recovery. Now you know...and knowing is half the battle.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Riiiiiiiight.................

AND YOU ARE....?
The test! You post your phone number HERE and we'll talk! OK TOUGH GUY...I call your BLUFF! DON"T BACK OUT...........THE BEST!

What bluff? It's easy to call anyone any name in the book when you're anonymous. You can email me anytime you want. It's available through this web site. But, if you think I'm stupid enough to post my phone number here, try again.


AF

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Because they are now competing head to head with a cheap non union work force.

Who has the cheaper workforce?
Since the majority of both fleets are 50 seaters one could argue that ASA is the cheaper of the two. Although a bonus cannot be considered pay SKYW pilots have received bonuses of 5.5-6.5% quarterly as well as smaller bonuses based on companywide performance goals. SKYW pilots have a higher payrate on the 50 seaters. SKYW pilots have upgraded sooner. The only way to really settle the debate would be deriving an average total compensation per pilot figure. Like it or not due to growth any 5 year pilot at SKYW has far outearned a 5 year pilot at ASA if he or she upgraded. I don't agree with nor am I trying to justify a 50-99 seat scale.


Are you really convinced SKYW is the cheaper workforce or are they just cheaper when it comes to flying 70 seaters? Looking down the road it's obvious both groups should be concerned about 70 seat rates since no more 50's are being delivered but it wouldn't hurt you to have a better handle on the facts before posting. Keep in mind that SKYW has publicly stated that ASA has a lower CASM.

 

[viper548]

SKYW also has the employee stock purchase program

 

[ArcticFlier]

So when it really comes down to the SHI!T, you go with your tail between your legs! Let it be know to all................
You have officially made the PUS^Y list!
THE BEST

BTW that ain't my tail knocking twixt my knees.

PUS^Y list? Cool..................

Here you go sport. You asked for it, you got it. Mornings are best for me, but you may sometimes get me at night.

It's a toll free number, so it's my nickel: 800 328 7448

Looking forward to this.



AF

 

[Dave Benjamin]

SKYW also has the employee stock purchase program

Equates to about a guaranteed 15% return on investment on 15% of your income if you max it out, right?

So for every grand you make 150 is deferred. For that 150 you're guaranteed 172.50. I was never a math whiz but assuming you max out the contribution and the stock remained flat you'd earn an extra 2.25% of income. It's free money. The last stock buy offered about a 60%+ return for those who hung on to their shares for a few weeks. That's a 24% compensation increase before you get dinged for capital gains.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Oh brother. I'm always so enamored of folks like TheBest--perhaps study hall is boring and just showing friends how to type (using typical teen vernacular nonetheless). Never fails to amaze the most ignorant comments come from the people who manage to most conceal anything about their qualifications or identity. But there's one in every crowd...

 

[ArcticFlier]

Proof you are a PU$$Y.....http://yellowpages.superpages.com/profile~PS_15~A_800~X_328~P_7448~STYPE_AP~LID_hxhAyiKv7PXlvbq9WXkQ4A%3D%3D.htm
You were not there A$$HOLE.....THe best and showing the world I am over and over and over and over.............

Spell out the number. 800 328 7448 You know........... use letters. It's something you are vaguely familiar with.

How do you know I don't work for Lakeside Printers? Did you stop by?



Boy is this fun.......................



AF

 

[ArcticFlier]

Dude I got ya, live with it. THE BEST

ROTFLMMFAO..............you ain't got sh1t.

Got your phone out yet? Spell out the number. Or aren't you any good at even simple puzzles?

AF


Can you even spell?

Not an email or even a PM......................I'm so hurt..............

 

[jbDC9]

As the inventor of the term SJS, I am offended that some of you consider it a cliche. It is a real problem, and should be treated as such.

Nooo, SJS isn't a cliche, I'm laughing my ass off over that one... especially the TV skit that Bender came up with. Funny stuff, and sad but true. But the other terms I mentioned, yup, they're still overdone and worn out.

 

[labbats]

Equates to about a guaranteed 15% return on investment on 15% of your income if you max it out, right?

So for every grand you make 150 is deferred. For that 150 you're guaranteed 172.50. I was never a math whiz but assuming you max out the contribution and the stock remained flat you'd earn an extra 2.25% of income. It's free money. The last stock buy offered about a 60%+ return for those who hung on to their shares for a few weeks. That's a 24% compensation increase before you get dinged for capital gains.

Sounds perfect! I'll buy a bunch of stock, and you tell me when to sell. What could go wrong?

 

[viper548]

Sounds perfect! I'll buy a bunch of stock, and you tell me when to sell. What could go wrong?

The stock is sold to employees at a 15% discount. you can turn around and sell it the same day and take the profit. If you do that, it's pretty hard to go wrong.

 

[J32driver]

Who has the cheaper workforce?

Dave,

Your right on about the current cost of each labor group. Its my understanding that ASA is cheaper in some regards, and SkyWest is cheaper in others. Where the disparity will show up is in contract negotiations for ASA. ASA will of course try to get a pay raise in all areas. As a counter offer, SkyWest mangagement will present the current terms the Skywest pilots are operating for and say "you fly for this or we move all the airplanes over to the Skywest Certificate and furlough all of ASA".

This is the same threat Orenstein presented the Mesa pilots, Wexford offered the Chickentaco pilots, and now Hulas is offering the TransStates pilots. It works amazingly well because the only defense is to present ONE unified workforce with an ironclad "alterego" scope clause. Mesa now works for peanuts because they had to buy scope language, so does Chickentaco/Republic/Shuttle. TransStates is headed down that road. ASA and SkyWest are now just starting.

The flipside, after SkyWest locks ASA into 5 years of the current SkyWest rates... do you ever expect to get a raise when the ASA pilot group is locked into cheap rates?

As long as the 2 pilot groups are seperate and can be played against each other, you will never see any significant improvements in pay or quality of life.


THEBEST... thanks for the entertainment. Sorry you couldn't keep up with the educated conversation.

 

[kngarthur]

I have faith in the Skywest pilots. They are in a position to do more damage to pilots as a whole by accepting ASA and Comair aircraft than Mesa or CHQ has done with their contracts. I fully expect them to do whats right and refuse to fly aircraft that are given to them because other airlines labor contracts are higher than theirs.

You people are in fantasy land!!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Sounds perfect! I'll buy a bunch of stock, and you tell me when to sell. What could go wrong?

So we can assume you're unfamiliar with how a 423 plan works.
The only way you can lose money is if you hang on to the stock and it goes down in value. Otherwise you're guranteed a 15% ROI since that's the minimum discount. Your discount is based on the lowest closing price at the very beginning or end of the 6 month period. If the stock has gone up since the beginning of the period a much higher gain may be realized.

The bottom line is that SKYW pilots that participate in the 423 and have been with the company for more than 2 years make over 8% more than the published payrates. That doesn't take into acccount gains from exercising stock options. Stock options take 4 years to vest and a pilot has to still be employed so you really can't factor that into the equation. Some folks have probably made out pretty well on those.