Those who QUIT NetJets.....

[p3hawk]

Hired in Feb.'06, #2345 now my number is 2249. 96 numbers in 14 months, hoping to upgrade into anything in 10/08. we'll see


Cheers P3hawk
DA2000 sic

 

[Archie Bunker]

Ok...back to original topic.......

I was hired in May '06, and resigned in Jan '07. The primary reason for my departure was being hired by UPS. When I was hired, I was prepared to stay with NJA for the long haul. I had no intention of collecting a free type rating, and then taking off for the next best thing. I quit a job with a legacy carrier to start at NJA. In fact, the only two companies that I would have left NJA for were UPS and FedEx....pretty tough companies to get on with right now.

The domicile system was in full swing when I was hired, and I was fully aware of what I was getting myself into. I didn't like it, but I was prepared to deal with it until the next contract. If I had the benefit of HBA, my commute to the airport would have been 10 minutes instead of the 2-3 hours it took me to drive to LAX. I know that my commute to LAX was nothing compared to what some new-hires are dealing with now.....it was more of an annoyance to me than anything. Would HBA have been enough to keep me at NJA? With any other company besides UPS and FedEx, yes....and it would have made me think about it with those two companies...something I didn't have to do with the current domicile system in place. Bottom line, I couldn't turn up my nose to UPS. The earnings potential there is much higher than I could ever hope for at NJA. That being said, I really enjoyed my time at NJA. I consider it a top notch company, with great benefits, and solid job security.

 

[BigC208]

To 1900, He took the job because the folks at Jalways where slow. I think it took about 6 months from passing his tests there and a firm job offer. In the meantime he went for NJA to make sure he had something to fall back on incase Jalways did not come thru. He never did the sim. Last day of indoc he heard he had the job in Hawaii. He was so impressed with NJA though that he did have to give it a good long thought. The domicile situation pushed him in the direction he went. He's normally pretty stoic and not one for much hyperbole, so when he said he was impressed with NJA I know he meant it. He also had a firm class date with Jet Blue and let that slide for NJA. The fact that there was that union rep that came across a bit bullish had nothing to do with him not taking the job in the end. I personally think that a lot of the ex Indy captains will bail the moment they find something else more up their alley. NJA is a great place for a lot of guys to get a free type, pay their mortgages for the time being, and move when that job with the outlook for a quick upgrade comes along.

 

[jtf]

I talked to a guy who went to Skybus (it was a move up from the crap hole he was at) and he told me at least 8 NJA guys who were ex Indy signed on for Skybus CA slots. I guess some guys just can't get the airlines out of the system. Unfortunately they were all junior to me, but at least it helped out everyone who is here who was behind them.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I talked to a guy who went to Skybus (it was a move up from the crap hole he was at) and he told me at least 8 NJA guys who were ex Indy signed on for Skybus CA slots. I guess some guys just can't get the airlines out of the system.

It will be interesting to see if any of those guys feel differently about airline flying after a year or so of working for Skybus. Working for an airline that bills itself as the "ultra low fare" carrier doesn't sound particularly inviting to me.

 

[172driver]

It will be interesting to see if any of those guys feel differently about airline flying after a year or so of working for Skybus. Working for an airline that bills itself as the "ultra low fare" carrier doesn't sound particularly inviting to me.

Sounds like hell on earth to me. They are modeling their company after Ryanair which makes not only their customers, but their crews, pay for water, coffee, soda, snacks, etc. Not a good indicator of a friendly, positive work environment in my eyes. But at least their Airbus captains are making $65,000, FO's $35,000, and FA's a whopping $9/hr plus commission on drinks and snacks. Yikes!

 

[Guitar rocker]

DO-82..........I just got canned at Air Somali for leavin ham sandwiches on the "airliner." I could use some help getting back to NJ though.......I never thought that this would happen. It was a top notch operation.

 

[acaTerry]

3rd year and still sold on the place. We've got a few problems, but overall its the way they treat us (fatigue policy, health plan, sick without getting fired, etc) that keep me here. Not to mention, I don't have to fly a plane all day with 19 orange stickers in the cockpit.
Each contract things will get beteer each time, we have REAL representation here, not a limp-rod MEC like a lot (not all) of the airlines do.

 

[Diesel]

Guitar I just flew into the norhtern outstation on Rt. 4... you know the really short one. Looks like air somali is flying into there now and going to set up a crew base.

 

[Grizz]

So he quit the job because one union rep he met, out of a company of over 2600 unionized pilots, was abrasive? I'm sorry, but there has to be more to the story than that.

I guess you completely underestimate my ability to piss folks off.

 

[CA1900]

I guess you completely underestimate my ability to piss folks off.

Hahahahaha... actually, that's what I liked about you when I met you. In fact, I believe you specifically mentioned what pleasure it gives you! Must be something about ex-1900 pilots, eh?

 

[WabiSabi]

Unless they went to UPS,FEDEX or SW...They are not to bright...Some people just want to say they fly big airplanes. But you can't take a picture of your big airplane to the bank for a home loan or I bet the cable company won't take a picture as payment either..Just a thought...

The sweeping generalization in this post of yours is the one that lacks brightness not to mention that it is quite arrogant. . Who are you to declare the only 3 flying gigs that are worthy of leaving NJ? There are many more companies that are worth leaving NJ....the main point being; to each their own. Fractional flying is a completely different world than say, an ACMI. The companies you listed are not the only ones that would prove more lucrative. Besides, professional flying isn't simply about pay. QOL, lifestyle, type of flying etc. are all significant. If someone wants to take a pay cut to go to another company, so be it. If someone is happy, they have all the justification they need and are just as bright as anyone that might stay at NJ.

 

[Crobar]

• Ted and Bills Xelent Venture dude

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

An ex Indy/ACA Feb 06 hire here. It is true that several of my former airline colleagues flew the coup simply because they were institutionalized airline people. You know, you can take the girl from Texas, but never take the Texas out of the girl. Yes lifted skirt nookieness of Heavy Iron was a contributing factor. IMHO, i think several were betting that the domicile structure would change last year.

We at Indy received the death penalty & I witnessed first hand something that I hope to never live through again. I have really begun to embrace NetJets, its culture and the variety of flying that is performed here. I also had planned for a 4yr date of hire upgrade which so far seems to be holding to form. During recurrent, Mr S emphasized the company's desire to grow the European side of the business, which would mean fewer deliveries for NJA over the period. However I still see 200+ deliveries over 5 yrs on our side. As luck would have it, one of the 5 domiciles is my hometown, so I was able to return home from my years in suburban DC. I feel that there is tremendous earning potential yet to be realized at NetJets. Yes, 7 day tours can get long in the tooth, but the amount of uninterrupted days off & vacation policy is another huge benefit to this place. For me, it’s a no brainer to hang my hat and forge a career here. Any urge to fly the whale can be dampened via the miracle of an Intel processor and the greatness of PMDG744.

 

[DO-82 driver]

I understand what you're saying but can only say that NJA would benefit more from those pilots coming from Avantair and FLOPs then those from the regionals. I wish we would do more to get these guys here.

Some of the regional guys I have flown with were great. A few have been absolutely terrible!!!!!!!! Almost resentful that they had to come to a fractional instead of fullfilling their dream of flying a 777 for United.

I'll say it again.....give me a charter/fractional pilot any day over many of the regional guys I have flown with.