There are people hired to come on these boards to influence.....

[labbats]

All your boards are belong to us.

 

[DrewBlows]

All your boards are belong to us.

I laugh every time I read that.

 

[belchfire]

All your boards are belong to us.

ROFLMAO...at least it was just the hotelroom that got sprayed with beerfoam this time and not my 'puter!

Who is us? Are we them? And where are they anyhow? Did they send the paychecks yet?

 

[pilotyip]

Remember without managment there would be no airlines, kinda like women can't live with them; can't live without them.

 

[gator_hater]

Just a thought to stir it up a little...

There are people elected and paid to spin anti mgmt dribble and post it on these boards, send it to your house, talk your ear off in the cockpit, and use the sacred bulletin board in the crew room. Yes, they are your union leadership.

It cuts both ways guys. Remember the truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

[FN FAL]

Remember the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Reminds me of that line from "training day" regarding pockets being on either side of the middle and reaching into them to pay the bill.

 

[Mesa Beer]

Management? Paid to come here? Say it isnt so! :uzi:

 

[ASARJMan]

your decision. They pose as pilots. Some are very outspoken as to why unions are evil and others more subtle. They will sign up and make enough random posts to appear like a normal pilot poster then start the politcal machine moving along (ie Hey instead of a raise i would just be happy with what SkyWest has...). Its a subtle process to lead less sophisticated minds to where a given management wants them.!

Agree. Superpooter, atlcrjdriver, denumnuts, voiceofridulous, crashpad, etc, even ole Joe Merchant (although he's a pilot). Voting YES, strike ballots on the way.

 

[PCL_128]

There are people elected and paid to spin anti mgmt dribble and post it on these boards, send it to your house, talk your ear off in the cockpit, and use the sacred bulletin board in the crew room. Yes, they are your union leadership.

As an elected rep, I'm curious what you think I'm "paid" to spread this "dribble" you speak of. All ALPA committee members and Officers are strictly volunteers.

 

[gator_hater]

Not just local MEC types, they are elected and yes, volunteers. By being paid I was refrencing those at the higher levels who seem t make a career out of this stuff (Duane). Not saying that everone out there is compensated, but I would consider dropping a 4 day, getting paid, and going to 2 days of meetings compensation.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

There are also people on this board with way too much time on their hands

 

[wms]

Remember without managment there would be no airlines, kinda like women can't live with them; can't live without them.

And because of mgmt, there arean't as many as there used to be. Things that make you go, hmmm.

 

[pilotyip]

Wms, "there arean't as many as there used to be. What does that mean women, airlines, jobs managment? BTW 5 times as many people are flying than were flying 30 years ago, there are 4 times as many pilot jobs as there was 30 years ago, and all of the growth was had something to do with managment. Without the Part 119 manamgment guys there is no airline.

 

[DrewBlows]

Without the Part 119 manamgment guys there is no airline.

Without the Part 121 pilot guys there is no airline. What's your point?

 

[pilotyip]

Drew exactly!, takes both sides to make it work. There are good pilots and bad pilots, there is good managment and bad managment. Pilots are not the source of all troubles in the airline industrry, nor is managment the source of all troubles in the airline industry. We seem to bash managment the same way we bash SCABS, they do not deserve universal scorn.

 

[PCL_128]

We seem to bash managment the same way we bash SCABS, they do not deserve universal scorn.

Other than SWA and JetBlue, what other airline management is not deserving of such scorn? There may be a few good management types out there, but they are the extremely rare exception, not the rule.

 

[atrdriver]

Drew exactly!, takes both sides to make it work. There are good pilots and bad pilots, there is good managment and bad managment. Pilots are not the source of all troubles in the airline industrry, nor is managment the source of all troubles in the airline industry. We seem to bash managment the same way we bash SCABS, they do not deserve universal scorn.

The biggest problem, IMO, is that airline management aren't airline people anymore. They hire beancounters as CEO's, and they try to run the airline the way they ran Texaco, or a bank. An airline is a unique animal, and it needs to be run by people that understand that. SWA has Herb, and CAL was turned around by Bethune, who may have ruffled a few feathers, but he was an airline guy who understood the business.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

We seem to bash managment the same way we bash SCABS, they do not deserve universal scorn.

I agree, it's not fair to the SCABS to be compared to MANAGEMENT!!!

 

[pilotyip]

Why don't all the pilots who know how to manage an airline step forward and run an airline the way it should be run to make it a good place to work. There is severe shortage of capable airline mangers, and you scould save the industry. Really I mean it, I hear all the carping about managment, but its like the weather, just talk. BTW Funny S's Mom

 

[81Horse]

Why don't all the pilots who know how to manage an airline step forward and run an airline the way it should be run ...

What it really comes down to is leadership. It wouldn't matter if it came from within a company, or from outside; there's just a shocking lack of true leadership in the aviation industry -- but also in American business as a whole. We don't have Captains of Industry at the helms of corporations anymore -- we have modern-day Robber Barons.

It's a crying shame.