the unfathomable:regional crew attempted takeoff with one engine turning

[Mike man]

one more thing...I dedicate this thread to the jumpseater on colgan 3407...to have a coworker kill you just blows...also i realized this after a 15 hour flight...I didn't drink a beer, but I am so pissed because they guys tried to kill me this morning...I'm really pissed

no arrivals into GSO from further than BQN in the past week...sorry dude, try again.

 

[say again]

my point is that, you are not a nice person.

i don't care who you are, I can tell (and others can too) that you are a person not worth knowing, or wanting to know.

hahahaha, thanks for the laugh.

 

[Alchemy]

Notice how it's people with no ERJ time saying how outrageous this was. If you've flown the plane you know how easy it can be. The engines aren't part of the takeoff config check, and there are no EICAS messages associated with an engine being off. The takeoff config only checks for flaps, parking brake, spoilers, and trim. Yes, it was very poor airmanship and it is inexcusable, but to act like you were about to die is pretty far fetched. Even if the pilots had their heads too far up their asses to notice all the engine indications at 0, it's pretty obvious to any pilot once you apply power with only one engine running, the takeoff needs to be aborted.

I said the same thing when trans states did it a few months ago. Combine pressure to save fuel with fatigue, maybe rushing to make an EDCT to ORD, and a poorly designed eicas/to config setup, and it's definitely an issue. With 1000 ERJ's flying around in 121, I bet it happens at least once a month somewhere, probably more. And no, I haven't done it.

 

[sunlitpath]

You can fly on one engine. It's best if you do it after V1 though...

 

[Lear70]

Gotcha, I didn't mean what I said in a negative way.

Cool, I didn't take it rudely, been on this board with ya for what, several YEARS now?

Actually, I'm stressed out, so it makes my posting style less laid back than usual. I can see how I might have come across a little aggressively, but that's the joys (and pitfalls) of an internet message board.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled FI mud slinging...

 

[SLUF4]

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[trip]

Take a vacation Lear.

 

[Long Time Gone]

I find it amazing how many people here consider the original poster an "a$$hole", etc., if this story is true. I'm sure you would all equally find him to be an "a$$hole", etc., if next week your wife or girlfriend was on the flight with the same Captain and FO after they crashed and killed everyone except for the original poster and you found out that he could have prevented the accident by informing the Feds a week prior. The "schedules" and "abuse" that all of you cry about are no excuse for professionalism and capability.

 

[mckpickle]

alright, just got to asia..let me address this...first;the insults: back at you. myself, another major airline pilot, and four witnesses observed it, heard #1 get started after we exited. the other pilot and myself both agreed this was most incompentent act any airline pilot coud ever do.

ask the families of those marvin winslow took away if they think I'm a DB...

to want to cover up this kind of incompetence,wrecklessness and dereliction of duty has no defense....

I have contacted a journalist....No reply...CNN would love it....it shows the regionals need to weed out the marginal pilots immediately. the public and congress, my wife and kids might disagree with you. shame on you for wanting to sweep an attempted takeoff on one engine under the rug...

these guys knew I meant it and if you think me and the other guy were walking off without addressing them, you're drunk, a fellow loser, or have a twisted view of what is ethically,professionally and morally right. two know crashes, comair and colgan, came from derelict acts and incompentence...sorry it ends now...I won't have the blood of passengers on my hands since I witnessed along with a fellow major aviator this unprecedented act of wreckless endangerment....there is a level when you say, I can't look the other way...today was it...

so, in sum, F U!!! also, I willl see the ASAP , I willl speak to their DO, company CEO and If I find out they lied.... their display of total incompentence makes me think..what happens when they do lose one, what happens in a rapid decom, dual hyd failure, dual elect, shoot single elect...basically they don't deserve to fly airliners...

since we're all still alive, I can say this...but because I had another guy to verify my thoughts,opinions, and reaction...we're in fulll agreement.

they better not lie on that ASAP since they both admitted it to me and another pilot..


i don't mind having dialog on this after all, I did not name any specifics subject to a complete inquiry... no free pass on this one...to excuse this which is what you detractors are doing can only suggest you don't think the guys at comair or colgan did anything wrong or wreckless.

what I'm for: ridding the low paid profession of loser pilots who denigrate the rest of us and kill people. by doing so, drive wages back up...and saving lives...after today, I have seen it all

Enjoying your 15 minutes of fame? So the crew F'd up. They broke the chain. Disaster averted. I'm sure they'll get some sort of retraining. But at least they didn't try to continue, start it on the roll (it's happened), or cover it up. You sir are have no soap box to stand on. You are not perfect as are none of us. Before allowing the media it's feeding frenzy, which will do much more damage, maybe you should follow proper chanels.

And thats about as professional as I can be. Otherwise I'd love to kick you square in the fukcing nuts for being such a large bag of ******************************!

 

[Long Time Gone]

I'd love to hear the CVR on this one. I'm sure it's NOTHING like the Colgan BUF CVR, the (whoever it was) CRW CVR, or the Comair LEX CVR. BTW, yes I knew Jeff Clay. He still screwed up.