the unfathomable:regional crew attempted takeoff with one engine turning

[DrewBlows]

What additional training can prevent this from happening again, just wondering what a training department can do..

A good ASAP program would set the crew up with someone from the training department to sit down and figure out what factors contributed to the mistake. In a non-threatening situation the crew is likely to explain exactly what happened. It may or may not have broader consequences, but the facts could be know. A meeting with a Chief Pilot is not likely to gain any useful information, since the crew would have to consider any disciplinary actions before making a statement.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

alright, just got to asia..let me address this...first;the insults: back at you. myself, another major airline pilot, and four witnesses observed it, heard #1 get started after we exited. the other pilot and myself both agreed this was most incompentent act any airline pilot coud ever do.

ask the families of those marvin winslow took away if they think I'm a DB...

to want to cover up this kind of incompetence,wrecklessness and dereliction of duty has no defense....

I have contacted a journalist....No reply...CNN would love it....it shows the regionals need to weed out the marginal pilots immediately. the public and congress, my wife and kids might disagree with you. shame on you for wanting to sweep an attempted takeoff on one engine under the rug...

these guys knew I meant it and if you think me and the other guy were walking off without addressing them, you're drunk, a fellow loser, or have a twisted view of what is ethically,professionally and morally right. two know crashes, comair and colgan, came from derelict acts and incompentence...sorry it ends now...I won't have the blood of passengers on my hands since I witnessed along with a fellow major aviator this unprecedented act of wreckless endangerment....there is a level when you say, I can't look the other way...today was it...

so, in sum, F U!!! also, I willl see the ASAP , I willl speak to their DO, company CEO and If I find out they lied.... their display of total incompentence makes me think..what happens when they do lose one, what happens in a rapid decom, dual hyd failure, dual elect, shoot single elect...basically they don't deserve to fly airliners...

since we're all still alive, I can say this...but because I had another guy to verify my thoughts,opinions, and reaction...we're in fulll agreement.

they better not lie on that ASAP since they both admitted it to me and another pilot..


i don't mind having dialog on this after all, I did not name any specifics subject to a complete inquiry... no free pass on this one...to excuse this which is what you detractors are doing can only suggest you don't think the guys at comair or colgan did anything wrong or wreckless.

what I'm for: ridding the low paid profession of loser pilots who denigrate the rest of us and kill people. by doing so, drive wages back up...and saving lives...after today, I have seen it all

There is no "w" in reckless, Mav. I would consider a brief primer on spelling, punctuation, and grammar prior to extensive communication with the media. They may be more inclined to take you seriously if they do not jump to the the conclusion that you, in addition to being a histrionic "major airline guy", are not retarded.

 

[crj567]

There is no "w" in reckless, Mav. I would consider a brief primer on spelling, punctuation, and grammar prior to extensive communication with the media. They may be more inclined to take you seriously if they do not jump to the the conclusion that you, in addition to being a histrionic "major airline guy", are retarded.

I would posit that this is the ONLY conclusion which they could arrive at.

-Whether they jump to it, or arrive by logic and deliberate thought; it appears to be the truth about this clown.


-People like "realmanofgenius" (assman,) just reinforce the concept of pilots being a bunch of overpaid morons. I cannot wait to see this rocket scientist on CNN.

 

[realmanofgenius]

you cock$uckers don't want to let this die do you.

pipejockey,
the fear swept through the cabin after they attempted the takeoff...it was no calmly "oh, we have zero thrust" they thought they had full thrust.

after 9/11, stories of drunk pilots, the roller coaster ride we had, dead bodies on snowy nights, it was a gut reaction and one made out of air safety.

there is all this talk about air safety and getting you there as safely as possible, but what about terrorizing the pax before you leave the ground?
yes they were upset. about six in the back that confirmed what we all heard

if you read earlier, I said I emailed a journalist friend....not interested unless people die or there's damage , or official "incident" if we had run off the runway, sure.....if you consider the evolution of marvin renslow's career, I simply thought I was flying with his cousin....that's all

it's water under the damn now....they'll do their mia copa and go on...
i don't give a crap.....

two final points- there's always an A$$hole spellchecker on FI and
a nutjob who wants to threaten violence and reprisals....this was not major airline flying, it was amatuer, private pilot working on his multi flying......put this way...if I ever saw this coX$ucker up front again and I was with the wife and kids...i'd run for the bar....I'll never fly with him again....

 

[tyuwerty]

you cock$uckers don't want to let this die do you.

pipejockey,
the fear swept through the cabin after they attempted the takeoff...it was no calmly "oh, we have zero thrust" they thought they had full thrust.

after 9/11, stories of drunk pilots, the roller coaster ride we had, dead bodies on snowy nights, it was a gut reaction and one made out of air safety.

there is all this talk about air safety and getting you there as safely as possible, but what about terrorizing the pax before you leave the ground?
yes they were upset. about six in the back that confirmed what we all heard

if you read earlier, I said I emailed a journalist friend....not interested unless people die or there's damage , or official "incident" if we had run off the runway, sure.....if you consider the evolution of marvin renslow's career, I simply thought I was flying with his cousin....that's all

it's water under the damn now....they'll do their mia copa and go on...
i don't give a crap.....

two final points- there's always an A$$hole spellchecker on FI and
a nutjob who wants to threaten violence and reprisals....this was not major airline flying, it was amatuer, private pilot working on his multi flying......put this way...if I ever saw this coX$ucker up front again and I was with the wife and kids...i'd run for the bar....I'll never fly with him again....

Oh the HORROR of it all.....

But... you still let them take you to ORD.

 

[Rerouted]

Flame, not flame, it doesn't make a difference - this does happen. I remember 10 years ago when a crew did this at another airline. The captain, who was the pilot flying, aborted thinking he had a flame out and then quickly realized what he had done. ATC then asked him if he needed the trucks after they saw smoke coming from the engine....of course that smoke was from him starting the engine as he taxiied off the runway. Somehow he managed to get away with it. Does this indicate a bad pilot or a bad day?

A year later he took off knowing he had a flat right main tire. When he landed he not only wiped out the other tire on that side of the plane but managed to take both tires off the rim. I was deadheading on that flight and talked to him afterwards. He openly admitted what he did and acted as if it were an everyday event. Scary? Yes. So where is he now? Flying for a major. This is fact, not flame. These things happen out there. Nobody including me turned him in...maybe that was the bigger sin.

 

[ackattacker]

you cock$uckers don't want to let this die do you.

You show your true character more and more with every post.

This is YOUR thread that YOU started looking for some sort of moral support. Don't like what you're hearing? Not feeling the love? Good! I'd rather fly with the crew who made that mistake and owned up to it than you, Dr. Skygod.

 

[Dan Roman]

You show your true character more and more with every post.

This is YOUR thread that YOU started looking for some sort of moral support. Don't like what you're hearing? Not feeling the love? Good! I'd rather fly with the crew who made that mistake and owned up to it than you, Dr. Skygod.

A lot of truth to your statement. The fact that Realman seems to think he is right and everyone else is a c&%ksucker rather than be open to the fact that perhaps he could have handled it better would indicate he may be more likely than the crew he is bashing to arrogantly cause an accident.

 

[Lynxman]

I just wish I woulda known that I was on a forum with a bunch of c&%ksuckers. Man now that I think about it this place is pretty gay.

 

[hou757]

You show your true character more and more with every post.

This is YOUR thread that YOU started looking for some sort of moral support. Don't like what you're hearing? Not feeling the love? Good! I'd rather fly with the crew who made that mistake and owned up to it than you, Dr. Skygod.

Excellent post! I too would fly with that crew any day before I rode with "genius"