the unfathomable:regional crew attempted takeoff with one engine turning

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I can see the memo now:

"Due to recent incidents, 'Both Engines running.......CONFIRMED' has been added to the before takeoff checklist."

 

[CX880]

I can see the memo now:

"Due to recent incidents, 'Both Engines running.......CONFIRMED' has been added to the before takeoff checklist."

Taxi checklists are written in blood and accidents. No surprise there.

 

[Jetpipeovht]

this morning out of GSO our erj 145 crew flying us en route to O Hare took a takeoff clearance on runway 23. took it on the roll and lined up, applied full power. within seconds the flight spoilers deployed. at the exit, i noticed along with another pax, and a another major airline pilot, that #1 was spooling up. we all heard it. we confronted the crew at the gate. they missed it and they confessed. I called the feds. the insanity stops. this is unfathomable..

the tower said they didn't mention it...go figure...but one thing is clear ..they took the runway, lined up, applied full power to two, and then aborted, the spoilers deployed...


this story may break in the next few days... #1 was not running......

Are you serious? You're a rat, snitch POS, SOB!!

Let us know where you live so we can through you a blanket party!

Rat Bast@rd!

 

[dojetdriver]

What additional training can prevent this from happening again, just wondering what a training department can do.

Probably the SAME thing they do to teach guys not to overfly airports, land on taxi ways, use rudder input during x-wind take off, use rudder during a loss of thrust on a engine, etc.

ouple other things, is this normal ops for this carrier

Yes

Did they have a delay going to ORD? How much fuel are you really saving leaving GSO (can't imagine there are long taxi delays there) on 1-engine versus 2?

It's called fuel conservation. That term doesn't mean just ONE specific flight. At one time, said carrier did about 1400+ departures a day for one of their mainline/legacy customers. Do the math, how much fuel overall gets saved system wide? NOTE, this is NOT opening up the point that it's fuel conservation that caused this problem, JUST SAYING THAT THE CARRIER HAS A FUEL CONSERVATION PROGRAM IN PLACE AND THAT IT'S STANDARD TO TAXI ON ONE ENGINE, PERIOD.

Lets hope they do just get this additional training.

The company has become fire friendly lately, I hope these guys don't get that treatment.

 

[pipejockey]

but I am so pissed because they guys tried to kill me this morning...I'm really pissed

Yeah, they conspired for weeks on the best way to kill YOU!!! The Colgan crash was incompetence. Forgetting to do ONE thing, albeit important like starting the other engine, did not put anyones safety in jeopardy in this scenario. When you set takeoff thrust and you look at the engine gauges to confirm takeoff thrust has been set, and you see one of them is at 0, you calmly pull off the runway, start it up and away you go. No harm no foul. Now get over yourself!

 

[pipejockey]

what I'm for: ridding the low paid profession of loser pilots who denigrate the rest of us and kill people.

Hey genius, check out this thread. This avbug lunatic is also a genius and apparently can do no wrong. You both would be two little peas in a pod.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=133737

 

[Dornier 335]

Frankly, the ERJ is an ergonomic nightmare which set's pilots up to forget to start the engine. I submit that it's nearly as easy to forget to shut off the taxi light when stopped as it is to forget to start an engine.

1. The thrust levers don't lock out when an engine is off.

2. There are 21 switches that look and feel exactly like the engine start switches (though the engine switches are guarded). This tells me that Embraer doesn't think the engine start switches are as important as the heading bug and altitude pre-select knob which look and feel different.

3. The engines are mounted close together on the tail, so there isn't a lot of differential steering needed with one engine running until a lot of thrust is applied.

4. The takeoff config warning does not check that both engines are running.

5. I've never flown the ERJ, but if it's anything like the E170 there is no CAS information that would indicate an engine is not running. Good technique tells you to check the engine instruments, but the checklist (ours anyway) directs you to check the EICAS.

This was a small mistake and nothing more, certainly not something to (literally) alert the media over.

I disagree. If you single engine taxi on No.2, you'll hear the whining sound from the electric hydraulic pump (b/c of nose wheel steering). It is annoying as hell (especially for the pax), but it sure reminds you that something is not ready for takeoff. I wouldn't blame it on the a/c design, this is clearly human fault. I'd like to see the crews' schedule, I suspect fatigue.

 

[Lear70]

Hey genius, check out this thread. This avbug lunatic is also a genius and apparently can do no wrong. You both would be two little peas in a pod.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=133737

Avbug is... unique... and he rubs most people the wrong way. He's rarely wrong about something, although he tends to come across the wrong way about it and pi$$ people off without really trying.

I disagree with him about quite a bit, but as I said, it's Avbug, he's an acquired taste, and you learn to tune him out for the most part and just pick and choose what to get out of his posts.

 

[kmox29]

When you set takeoff thrust and you look at the engine gauges to confirm takeoff thrust has been set, and you see one of them is at 0, you calmly pull off the runway, start it up and away you go. No harm no foul. Now get over yourself!

While I don't agree with calling the FAA (there are other avenues which this can be properly handled through), and especially...ESPECIALLY the media, are you SERIOUS? "No harm, no foul"??? Is that your professional pilot mantra? Downright frightening.

 

[DrewBlows]

I disagree. If you single engine taxi on No.2, you'll hear the whining sound from the electric hydraulic pump (b/c of nose wheel steering). It is annoying as hell (especially for the pax), but it sure reminds you that something is not ready for takeoff. I wouldn't blame it on the a/c design, this is clearly human fault. I'd like to see the crews' schedule, I suspect fatigue.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that forgetting to start an engine is not a human factors issue, but that the design of the aircraft makes it easy to forget in an abnormal situation (fatigued, delayed, etc.).