The State of Georgia and Delta

[IAHERJ]

Those subsidies are a totally different form of hand out. They are in place to benefit the consumer, not an airline. Those could have been offered to a host of other airlines but AirTran sought them out.


I fully expect the city of ATL and the state of Georgia to come forward with a number of proposals that will help keep Delta operating. Can't blame them a bit. I don't want to see Delta people negatively affected by this as I have numurous friends working and retired from Delta. I just hope we at AirTran could expect some help down the road should we be in the same predicament.

IAHERJ

 

[General Lee]

Those subsidies are a totally different form of hand out. They are in place to benefit the consumer, not an airline. Those could have been offered to a host of other airlines but AirTran sought them out.


I fully expect the city of ATL and the state of Georgia to come forward with a number of proposals that will help keep Delta operating. Can't blame them a bit. I don't want to see Delta people negatively affected by this as I have numurous friends working and retired from Delta. I just hope we at AirTran could expect some help down the road should we be in the same predicament.

IAHERJ

If you ever unfortunately have to go this road I bet you would. The State of Georgia has to look at the possible outcomes of any bankruptcy. Delta is one of the largest employers in the State, and I can see why they would be nervous. I think Georgia would try to help any large employer. It is very political down here.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[satpak77]

does that apply to the subsidies AirTran gets to fly to some cities?

Delta/ASA never ever had any EAS subsidies out of DFW of course....

 

[Crzipilot]

Don't think he's talking about EAS subsidies.....He might be talking of the subs. which they got for, I believe TLH or GNV. And now have gotten for SRQ. Each city had service, and prob. fairly good service. Sarasota I believe plopped down 1.5million for airtran to come in. This of course after chasing out UAL/AA and such. they still have DAL/US/CAL........

 

[WhiteCloud]

If you ever unfortunately have to go this road I bet you would. The State of Georgia has to look at the possible outcomes of any bankruptcy. Delta is one of the largest employers in the State, and I can see why they would be nervous. I think Georgia would try to help any large employer. It is very political down here.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Lets see if we can get both the State of Georgia and the federal government to lighten up on the puntive taxes that are a huge part of any airline ticket...not just for Delta but for every airline. That's a big part of what's dragging the industry down.

 

[Ty Webb]

Let me try to shed a little light on this form the other side of "C" concourse.

1) AirTran has negotiated guarantees from several communities, including ICT and PNS. GPT (mentioned in a previous string by some mistaken someone) hasn't been subsidized for several years).

Regardless, that agreement is normally sought after by the local business community, who realizes that they will pay much higher airfares if there is no low-cost competition . . . . so much higher, that they are willing to got through the painful process of hitting up the local business community (first) and, in some cases, the local government, for contributions to a fund.

That fund, BTW, is there to pay some start-up advertising costs, and then guarantees a certain level of ridership. Months that fall below that dollar amount are "evened out" from the fund. If memory serves me correctly, PNS was a paltry 2.5 million dollars a year, which was solicited from the local business community. Result? They went from 5 DAL flights per day to ATL to more that 8, and 0 Airtran flights to over 3-5 per day, depending on the season. In other words, the number of flights more than doubled, while the cost was cut in half . . . hmmmmn, seems like a smart decision was made by the PNS Chamber of Commerce.

2) Don't think that AirTran pilots are gloating over DAL and/or NWA filing bankruptcy. That's the worst thing that could happen to us.

Best of luck, guys . . . .

 

[FN FAL]

In related news, the Georgia Senate and House Transportation committees will meet Sept. 22 to discuss what the state can do to keep Delta Air Lines viable and assist those that are impacted.

Declare a national emergency...if we can put welfare rats in house trailers and feed them, the least we can do is provide medical attention to people that are impacted.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

The State of Georgia can buy some cheap forclosure houses in Peachtree City and use them to house all of these hurricane victums that are pouring into our state.

Hopefully our taxpayers will not have to pay one cent to DAL, we paid their high fares for years before AirTran arrived.

Already happened last week. At least every forclosure in Coweta County was taken off the market to be used as hurricane relief housing.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

South of Atlanta??? sounds like they are worried about the housing market in Peachtree City! Guess they'll have to sell their 1.5 Million dollar houses. What about those North, West and East??? I dont get it...

What 1.5 million dollar houses? I haven't seen 'em. Besides, Delta employees make up a VERY small percentage of the Coweta and Fayette counties.

I am a Deltoid and a native Cowetian (my Dad just happened to get a job where my family was from). Both counties where doing just fine back when Delta was a fifth the size that it is now. All the growth south of Atlanta has not been because of only Delta.

BTW, PTC was ranked as the 8th most desirable city in the country to live in or around a couple of months ago.

 

[koko nw]

That's great and all, but they should have started that with United and USair. Delta has tried to stay out of court for 4 years now. So, not allowing them the same protection is wrong. If United and USAir would have gone away, chances are Delta and the others would have been better off by now too. Also, if many had their way, personal bankruptcy people should be shot too. This is America--and everyone gets a second chance. But, three years in Chap 11 may be a tad bit too much. A time limit should be in order. (hence the new rules---18 months will be the limit)

Bye Bye--General Lee

Nice underhanded slight there General, guess I expected more from you.

Four year plan huh? Let me guess....cross your fingers and hope and pray UAL/USAIR liquidates? Be honest, the facade known as your four year business plan....was just that, a thinly veiled attempt at chicken....

Don't blink now.......

Sorry to disapoint ya bubba, I feel for ya...been there as you say for 3 years plus, it's not a nice place to be. Might I suggest to you and your management team too concentrate on your own house before you wish finality for your friendly neighbors up north.

Good luck, were all going to need it.