The RJ returns to Airtran...

[ultrarunner]

What is abundantly clear, unfortunately, is that our contract allows management great latitude to give your job to other airlines....

Sounds like you need a union that can protect your job then!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Sounds like you need a union that can protect your job then!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

How's that working for all the ALPA carriers? Comair? Mesa? Trans States?PDT? USAirways? United? Midwest? etc..etc......

 

[PCL_128]

Sounds like you need a union that can protect your job then!

Our current contract wasn't written by ALPA. It was written by the incompetent sham of a union that we voted out called the NPA.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Our current contract wasn't written by ALPA. It was written by the incompetent sham of a union that we voted out called the NPA.

Who wrote the United, Midwest, Comair, TransStates, USAir, and Delta contracts? Show me one ALPA carrier that doesn't outsource flying...Just one PCL...

Which airline outsources the least....and who represents them? That's your bonus question....

 

[PCL_128]

Who wrote the United, Midwest, Comair, TransStates, USAir, and Delta contracts? Show me one ALPA carrier that doesn't outsource flying...Just one PCL...

Who votes on contracts, Joey? Who is in charge of negotiating contracts, Joey? Not the "big wigs" in Herndon that you love to hate. It's pilots, Joey. ALPA can't protect pilots from their own stupidity. ALPA can only tell you how to achieve the goals that you set for yourself. Our MEC has made scope a top priority, so ALPA will assist us in achieving that goal. When other MECs (like DAL, for instance) don't make scope a priority, ALPA can't do anything about that. Hence the reason that I'm in favor of greater centralized control within ALPA.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Who votes on contracts, Joey? Who is in charge of negotiating contracts, Joey? Not the "big wigs" in Herndon that you love to hate. It's pilots, Joey. ALPA can't protect pilots from their own stupidity. ALPA can only tell you how to achieve the goals that you set for yourself. Our MEC has made scope a top priority, so ALPA will assist us in achieving that goal. When other MECs (like DAL, for instance) don't make scope a priority, ALPA can't do anything about that. Hence the reason that I'm in favor of greater centralized control within ALPA.

So you admit that no ALPA carriers have prevented outsourcing....Now which carrier outsources the least? Admit it PCL...ALPA isn't the panacea you think it is....

You already owe me a beer from our last bet...How about another one. I'll bet you another beer that the final Air Tran contract allows outsourcing in it's scope section.....

 

[ace6453]

14 - United
5 - Air Tran

I guess that leaves 1 of ASA's soon-to-be-retired 50-seaters needing a home.

Are they ASA's 200's? If so, wouldn't the contract prevent the transfer of 5 aircraft w/o crews?

 

[WalterSobchak]

Are they ASA's 200's? If so, wouldn't the contract prevent the transfer of 5 aircraft w/o crews?

They're coming from SkyWest's existing fleet. No aircraft transfer...

 

[10nCLR]

I'll take a big glass....Taste's great! Go Jerry!

That's odd

 

[10nCLR]

Originally Posted by 10nCLR What is abundantly clear, unfortunately, is that our contract allows management great latitude to give your job to other airlines....

Sounds like you need a union that can protect your job then!

Thanks, ultrarunner. I never wrote that. I assume someone else is drinking the spiked kool-aid.

 

[PCL_128]

So you admit that no ALPA carriers have prevented outsourcing....Now which carrier outsources the least? Admit it PCL...ALPA isn't the panacea you think it is....

What I'll "admit" is that pilot groups have been absolutely bone-headed in how they've dealt with scope, and it isn't limited to ALPA carriers by a long shot. APA gave up scope, SWAPA just gave up near-international scope, which is their only real hope of any growth over the next few years, FAPA gave up scope, etc... It isn't "the union" that gives it up, Joey, it's the moronic pilots that put pay before job security. Everybody is willing to give up "just a few more seats" for another $10 on their pay rate. Until you get pilots to wise up, that's not going to get fixed, and it has nothing to do with ALPA.

I'll bet you another beer that the final Air Tran contract allows outsourcing in it's scope section.....

Of course it will. Going from 70-seat scope to 0-seat scope in one contract isn't realistic. I'll be you that we'll tighten up scope, though.

P.S. We tied that last bet, didn't we?