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Airlines cut flights.



U.S. News U.S. Pilot Shortfall Hits Earlier, Worse Than Expected








http://live.wsj.com/video/us-pilot-shortfall-hits-earlier-worse-than-expected/D9C6835A-A53F-4FFD-9A0C-2273BF337A7E.html#!D9C6835A-A53F-4FFD-9A0C-2273BF337A7E

They did it to themselves.

25 yrs of insanity
Pensions gone
40% pay cuts recently, but trending up

http://www.wimp.com/pilotsstamps/

Thanks Sully for getting the word out.


Are you going to let them give tempory bonuses or put it in the contracts?

Oh and remember a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Any bets on a snap back on rest rules and timer requirements?
 
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There MAY be a shortage, but it seems most of the regionals are content to park airplanes rather than raise salaries. The mainlines still arent yet effected AND many were already planning reductions in service to enhance profits.

Dont break out the Champagne just yet :/
 
If this were true why do you need inside recommendations just to -maybe- get a interview, pretty much everywhere?
 
RJLoser said:
Hope this isn't the politics of justifying an increase of 65.
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Canada is at 70 now. But, at 65 in Canada you have to go to the right seat of a narrowbody or IRO (Intl relief officer) on a Widebody. It protects upgrades, but hurts new hires.

My AME stated the latest couple in flight deaths (like the United 737 Capt that died and they diverted into BOI) have put the kabosh on it for now. High profile stuff like that hurt that cause. We'll see... I doubt it though.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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Do you really want to be still flying at 70?, the only flying you should be doing is in first class with a cocktail in your hand.
Step away from the Yoke
 
General Lee said:
Canada is at 70 now. But, at 65 in Canada you have to go to the right seat of a narrowbody or IRO (Intl relief officer) on a Widebody. It protects upgrades, but hurts new hires. My AME stated the latest couple in flight deaths (like the United 737 Capt that died and they diverted into BOI) have put the kabosh on it for now. High profile stuff like that hurt that cause. We'll see... I doubt it though.Bye Bye---General Lee
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I remember my AME saying the change from 60 to 65 would never happen. AME's know about nothing about what's going on inside the FAA or Congress. It's just a personal opinion.

If you go digging around, and not on the forums, you'll see there is NO organized effort to go from 65 to 70. There are no bills in Congress. There is no FAA proposed rule making. There are no focus groups. There is no organized grassroots group like APAAD. ALPA is hard set against another change. So is the APA and SWAPA. There is nothing out there.

A few guys talking it up in the bar or on a forum does not an effort make.

A non issue.
 
tdwnds1 said:
reepiheep...Exactly! and if a 16k hour guy is having trouble..there is NO shortage.
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I bet he is sitting at home with his cats,wondering why the phone never rings, unless it's Scheduling.....
 
General Lee said:
The Corndog Capts will push for it, no doubt.


Bye Bye---General Lee
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And you will push up on your blow up doll after stuffing your zit encrusted face with legendary volumes of Little Debbie's finest processed sugar products. Go have your mom pop those zits on your back, you will feel and look better.
 
PBRstreetgang said:
And you will push up on your blow up doll after stuffing your zit encrusted face with legendary volumes of Little Debbie's finest processed sugar products. Go have your mom pop those zits on your back, you will feel and look better.
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Classic!! Bravo!!! Fantastic!! Yesssss!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
SkyWest, arguably the best regional, has open interviews...u just show up. Endeavor and mesa have phone interview. I have read about guys with 5 interviews set up, or 3+ class dates. The UAL and republic CEO's have both said they r cutting flights due to a pilot shortage.
 
We've come a long way from the "pay for training" era of the 90's.
 
They are cutting flights because they don't want 50 seaters. If they really wanted to keep the flights I'm pretty sure they could afford to pay an extra 40 bucks an hour for the crew, and find some bodies to fill the seats...
 
atpcliff said:
SkyWest, arguably the best regional, has open interviews...u just show up. Endeavor and mesa have phone interview. I have read about guys with 5 interviews set up, or 3+ class dates. The UAL and republic CEO's have both said they r cutting flights due to a pilot shortage.
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Just can't resist...:)

By best regional you do mean best this month/week/6 month period!!!!!

The term "best" and regional should never be put in the same sentence.. I rememebr a time, 10 years ago, I heard I worked for the best regional.. (they are out of business)... A case could have been made for COEX, EAGLE, ASA....

Having 5 interviews scheduled(while great for an applicant), is not huge news.. It was the same post 9/11

UA cutting flights has less to do with their own staffing rather their desire to cut 50 seat flying. (But placing blame on 1500 hrs and pilot shortages to gain government support)

There is no way any major is having staffing issues, and if a regional is having trouble it's of their own doing.. (Plus they had plenty of time to prepare for the new rules as well as 117)
 
There is a big play stirring. I think the bosses are going to try and push for the rollback some of the changes to the FAR's. Or, gasp, have the government ease cabotage or visas for foreign workers. Or who knows what...
 
zasca said:
There is a big play stirring. I think the bosses are going to try and push for the rollback some of the changes to the FAR's. Or, gasp, have the government ease cabotage or visas for foreign workers. Or who knows what...
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The families of the Colgan crash victims will continually show up. They were relentless in pushing for this change, and no Congressman or woman will stand up to them. It would be political suicide.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
I said "try". Grieving families may talk, but Big Money walks. The law would not have prevented that crash, nor will it prevent new crashes. It is all an illusion to placate some irritating noise. What it will do is force management to hire washed up losers with 5000 hours (15 years ago) over a kid who actually wants to try to do a good job.
 
Says the kid who "wants to do a good job". I'm sure the "5000 washup" also wants to do a good job. If you are the person you sound like, then get in line and cut your teeth like the rest.

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I'm already at a legacy, thanks for assuming. I also had the pleasure of flying with many more "good" 250 hour wonderkids than "bad" as a captain at a regional. It's not the number of hours but the quality, right? That and all the other useful stuff "some" of the college programs teach. I'm also pretty sure that line to sit reserve at regional is pretty short these days, and many of us "cut our teeth" in those seats just fine.

The law caused qualified airline pilots to scramble to make sure they had enough hours to keep their CURRENT jobs as airline pilots. Then carve outs were added for specific college programs and the military. Arbitrary numbers to say the least.

By no means am I saying everyone (or many at all) can be ready to be an FO at 250 hrs, or 10,000 hours for that matter. I know I probably wouldn't have been, and appreciate my CFI experience before the airlines.....

Just saying the dog and pony show backfired. The pony kicked em in the groin and they might have to put it down. Or pay people decent money to show up to class. One or the other.
 
Sorry, Congress or not, it's time for these scummy airlines to start paying a fair wage. It's been a long time coming.

Pay people a livable wage and you won't have too many problems filling your classes. Keep treating, paying pilots crappy, and find yourself out of the business. It's that simple. The Regionals in particular have had their way with pilots for far too long. I will not shed a tear if Republic, Mesa, Trans States, or even Expressjet can't find pilots. That will be Capitalism at its best.

The Majors are not off the hook either. Fail to keep your pilots satisfied, and watch them jump ship to other Majors/Legacies. There will be a lot of turnover from LCCs to Legacies if some of these airlines don't get their act together. You listening JetBlue???
 
zasca said:
I'm already at a legacy, thanks for assuming. I also had the pleasure of flying with many more "good" 250 hour wonderkids than "bad" as a captain at a regional. It's not the number of hours but the quality, right? That and all the other useful stuff "some" of the college programs teach. I'm also pretty sure that line to sit reserve at regional is pretty short these days, and many of us "cut our teeth" in those seats just fine.

The law caused qualified airline pilots to scramble to make sure they had enough hours to keep their CURRENT jobs as airline pilots. Then carve outs were added for specific college programs and the military. Arbitrary numbers to say the least.

By no means am I saying everyone (or many at all) can be ready to be an FO at 250 hrs, or 10,000 hours for that matter. I know I probably wouldn't have been, and appreciate my CFI experience before the airlines.....

Just saying the dog and pony show backfired. The pony kicked em in the groin and they might have to put it down. Or pay people decent money to show up to class. One or the other.
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They tried to put it down, the Regional Airline Association tried to lobby Congress to stop it, but the families of the Colgan crash victims created such a stir, it became political suicide to go against it. They are ready to go public again most likely if it is challenged. Good.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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