The Onesky leadership is at it again.

[GlorifiedCabbie]

For those of you that have missed the latest move from the Onesky leadership here you go. Looks like they want to do what ever they want to do whenever they want.

The leadership is attempting to sneak in an 11th hour contract that essentially gives the leadership free reign to do whatever they like. While the company's new contract proposal looks good on the surface, it contains many serious flaws.
The first is the fact that they want the Red Label pilots to be immune to furloughs while the average pilot can be furloughed at a whim and out of seniority order.
The second item is the new payscales. While the pay increases may be tempting, the Onesky negotiators are hoping the pilots are sick of the negotiations dragging out, and will accept the sub-par offer.

 

[slowtation capt]

Missed this, when and how did this come out, email from managment?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Leaked email from one of our friends on the inside. Let's see what happens next week. Oh ,BTW, this proposal will be used as evidence that the company is not negotiating in bad faith and is not in contempt of court.

 

[doh]

One session with one proposal after our contempt filing does not make good faith bargaining.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Agreed. Now they are back to intimidation tactics. A Red Label took the crew meals from a crew doing a trip so the crew flying the trip had no food! No food for over 8 hours landing at 2200L.. Now the crew had to get food to go and delayed the trip by 10 minutes. Guess who get a CGF1?

 

[exagony]

Maybe set up a pool of money and hire a labor lawyer on retainer to join the crews when they get a CGF-1. The company won't allow union into these meetings but I can't see how they could deny a lawyer into a CGF-1 meeting. Would love to see their faces when one arrives with lawyer in hand.

 

[Bjtdrvr]

Perhaps the red label crew needed a cgf1 since they obviously were not paying fanatical attention to detail!

 

[shanes123]

My guess they purposely stole the meals because those meals won't go against their BONE US. Friend I talked to last week said he was at a fbo and there was no shuttle so he called a UBER to get a ride to hotel. It was a little hybrid that showed up and a red label crew tried to strong arm their way into his UBER with them cause they didn't want to call their own taxi or UBER. He had to put his foot down and said no room. We gotta go bye.. they weren't to happy. Welcome to the world of the IGMs

 

[doh]

Just read the latest negotiating report. It doesn't appear management made any pay proposals.

 

[993_Pilot]

Just read the latest negotiating report. It doesn't appear management made any pay proposals.

You're Surprised? Anybody who thinks management is doing anything other that stalling in order to run out the clock, just hasn't been paying attention. Every day they avoid giving us a raise, is money $aved in their eyes. Next, they will be calling for more time to negotiate. Then they will appeal to the pilot group that the big bad union is forcing arbitration, while management wants to work it out, and now you won't get to vote on the contract. Then, they will be calling for decertification, because obviously the big bad union doesn't have the pilot's best interests at heart. Give me a friggin' break. It is all so F_ing predictable that it is hard to even be amused any more.

 

[doh]

Read the first post. I got the impression from that post management had made some kind of pay proposal.

 

[doh]

Btw, could someone explain why management are so enamored of J Smith? You'd think he was the second coming the way they keep bringing him up.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Why is the company doing road shows again? Rick Handj_b has been in Dallas and in St. Louis spreading the bs again. This time he is telling the pilots they are working more because the Options pilots are intentionally breaking airplanes. If an mvf fails 4 times by 4 different pilots, I think it was a legitimate write up. Why the lies from Handj_b? How about trying to cover up the fact the Options side is understaffed. The company furloughed too many pilots in their last temper tantrum, and now it is biting them in the arse.

 

[exagony]

Maybe someone from Union leadership or PLC can answer this - if RH is out spreading these lies isn't he guilty of defamation of character to Options pilots? He personally should be held liable for spreading these lies. Its provable that some Flexjet pilots think lesser of Options pilots due to the lies and defamation RH and Onesky mgt spread - thus defamation of character lawsuit would be warranted. Hope the union goes after him and Onesky and sues him for all he's worth.

 

[shanes123]

Come on Ya ALL HE AINT WORT NOTTIN!!!!!!

 

[exagony]

Come on Ya ALL HE AINT WORT NOTTIN!!!!!!

Regardless - it would set a precedent and make the other management types think twice before they disparage and threaten those who don't agree with UK. Its one thing if claims are factual but another when 10% truth and 90% deception is used. Sort of like how RH disparaged the Options pilots for calling in fatigued a lot, now the Flexjet pilots are starting to enjoy our schedules and see why we have fatigue calls. Never mind that the word is out there that RH told pilots in recent recurrent to not call in fatigued but to call mgt and "work it out". I would love to hear what the FAA would say about that one. Maybe one of the guys who got fired by RH and his vendetta to make himself look better in front of UK's altar would like to chime in.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Call mgt and "work it out" sounds like they are going to start pilot pushing the Flex pilots like they did the Options pilots before we formed a union. The days of the Flex pilots going to the hotel early are numbered. This company is good-real good- at saying one thing in public, and expecting something completely different when nobody else can hear. Put them on speaker phone with the other pilot present. CYA

 

[jetwash]

Where do we stand on the negotiations?
Are they now finally officially done?
Has everything been sent to the arbitrator?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

And a " safety stand down"? A major announcement but it really doesn't mean what it says. The BS continues to spew out of the orifice that has become to be known as the Cleveland shuffle.

 

[doh]

We are in the process of picking an arbitrator. Needless to say, management wants to skew and delay the process. This is a crucial step, so we need to make sure we get this right. Also, don't forget, we will be back in front of Judge Gwinn in the near future. We'll see how he likes management ignoring his ruling on the VSP.

 

[shanes123]

whats the near future? this month?

 

[doh]

whats the near future? this month?

With just a days until Christmas? You can answer that yourself.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Retro-active pay raises from the amendable date plus bypass pay is the only way to make things right.

 

[doh]

No argument from me on that one.

 

[shanes123]

I think everyone is going to be greatly disappointed in what a arbitrator is gonna award and that's exactly what KR and his soldiers of IGMs is banking on.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

I'll be in the john. I'll let you know when I'm done.

 

[Imissmypilot]

I heard a pesky little rumor the FAA is cracking down hard on the company right now. Something about that accident in Sugarland being attributed to what the POI feels is one sided, company driven vitriol regarding the union.

Related also the situation with fatigue calls and the company requesting in training to have us call and work it out versus making fatigue calls.

Guys, the company is trying to keep the FAA in the dark. If you do not follow procedure, you are breaking the FARS. Accordingly, anytime you call to work it out instead of a fatigue call you should back it up with an ASAP because you are violating safety procedures the FAA is trying to track and you should CYA.

I'm not usually one for big government but the way this company does business is in direct violation of understood safety protocols and we all know it. By allowing it to run just outside of the reach or knowledge of the FAA by playing management's game is unethical. Stop being complicit in allowing it to happen. This isn't a prounion message, this is an integrity message.

If Kenn wants to be the big player, he better get used to big player rules - and oversight.

 

[Imissmypilot]

I think everyone is going to be greatly disappointed in what a arbitrator is gonna award and that's exactly what KR and his soldiers of IGMs is banking on.

You above all people should know the feds are getting tired of Kenn's game and the damage it it causing. Right?

Something tells me the tide is *REALLY* turning in the favor of the union regarding these lawsuits and arbitrations. They've already been winning every single battle but I'm talking it's going to turn into a COMPLETE no win situation for the company to keep fighting them with the same tactics.

Even the philosophy of the incoming administration is to the union's advantage. While Trump and his picks are generally anti labor, it is directed at "blue collar" manufacturing, education, service and construction unions. In contrast, historically these guys have been positive toward transportation and safety professional unions. It's the fine print that matters and I think Uncle Kenn is starting to realize the coming few years aren't going to too advantageous to his shuckster jive business practices.

 

[shanes123]

I heard a pesky little rumor the FAA is cracking down hard on the company right now. Something about that accident in Sugarland being attributed to what the POI feels is one sided, company driven vitriol regarding the union.

Related also the situation with fatigue calls and the company requesting in training to have us call and work it out versus making fatigue calls.

Guys, the company is trying to keep the FAA in the dark. If you do not follow procedure, you are breaking the FARS. Accordingly, anytime you call to work it out instead of a fatigue call you should back it up with an ASAP because you are violating safety procedures the FAA is trying to track and you should CYA.

I'm not usually one for big government but the way this company does business is in direct violation of understood safety protocols and we all know it. By allowing it to run just outside of the reach or knowledge of the FAA by playing management's game is unethical. Stop being complicit in allowing it to happen. This isn't a prounion message, this is an integrity message.

If Kenn wants to be the big player, he better get used to big player rules - and oversight.

FAA isn't going to do Squat they are all typical Govt employees all talk no action. They may run around and look busy for a couple of months ( Job Justification) send out a bunch of emails maybe even have a focus group or two. But in the end it will be business as usual. This company has been turned in a million times to the Feds and it all goes nowhere. Don't look to them to solve any problems not gonna happen

 

[doh]

Incidentally, there are FO slots on the Legacy. They were not put out for bid for Flexjet FOs. They sent an email to the Options pilots offering them transfers, AND word is Phil was given an out of seniority award along with another transfer. But "come on guys, we're still Flexjet, Flex on." uke: