The NetJets Scab list threat...

[Rubber Ducky]

Its not my labor cause and in the 91k world you won't have to worry about doing any chartered NetJets trips. As far as responibility to the aircraft owner in a 135 operation... If you charter directly to a NetJets owner instead of directly to NetJets AND you provide a higher level of service to that person, then you just earned future business which IS looking out for the actual aircraft owner.

 

[longrangekiller]

All this talk of a SCAB list presumes the NJA pilot group will be released to self-help, i.e. strike. Being release to self-help is possible but not likely. What is likely is recess. The NMB will deal harshly with those that would engage in unauthorized labor (self-help) actions during recess. Very much like the AA guys when they received the heavy fine.



So all this non-sense about a SCAB list is premature, really just plain childish and not relevant to the condition that the NJA pilots are in.



I would not be surprised if NJA management has not already communicated the NJA labor situation to the owners and made it clear that owner support of the company position is paramount unless they, the owners, want to pay a SUBTANICAL amount more for the same service.



So, you NJA guys beat your SCAB list chest and make threats. You are only hurting yourselves.

 

[Clutch_Cargo]

You are only hurting yourselves.

Hmmmm... seems to be a trend, maybe even a consensus, here.

cc

 

[Dangerkitty]

First of all RICHARD, I am very familiar with what a SCAB is. That is why I know that as a charter operator flying a charter for Net Jets, that I am not one. And that is why if Net Jets and ALPA want to list Charter pilots as some sort of SCAB, then if will be a false defamation. Therefore I believe that if it happens, some one will take that one to class action status.

Unions can not just go around wrecking everyones lives because they dont get their way.

As I have said, and many others have as well. If WE as charter pilots are labeled SCABS, the back ground noise you will hear is all of the NetJet and SCAB list endorsing pilots resumes going through the shredder.

Again, If I were at a union carrier I would join, And I would NEVER cross a picket line, but this is not the same thing. Not even Close.

400A,

My apologies. I misunderstood your post that I quoted. Sorry, but much can be lost in the conversation of a message board. Evidentally you do understand what is going on.

I do like the Richard comment though. Made me laugh!

 

[400A]

400A,

My apologies. I misunderstood your post that I quoted. Sorry, but much can be lost in the conversation of a message board. Evidentally you do understand what is going on.

I do like the Richard comment though. Made me laugh!

No Harm, No Foul.

I actually thought that might be the case.

400A

 

[Diesel]

i've been thinking about this for a while now. Coming from the 135 world and now to nj.

I don't believe that other charter pilots should be called scabs if they do fly our trips in THEIR own airplane. They are just doing what THEIR boss says for them to do. Although they might be prolonging our problems our fight isn't with them. Our fight is with our company. Not our owners and not our vendors.

Let's say i'm just a 135 guy flying an ultra. The boss says go pick up xyz and fly to abc. I'm just flying the pax for the company i'm working for, i might not even know who netjets is. i'm just doing my job.

Bear with me if it didn't make sense i'm not even sure what time zone i'm in.

 

[h25b]

i've been thinking about this for a while now. Coming from the 135 world and now to nj.

I don't believe that other charter pilots should be called scabs if they do fly our trips in THEIR own airplane. They are just doing what THEIR boss says for them to do. Although they might be prolonging our problems our fight isn't with them. Our fight is with our company. Not our owners and not our vendors.

Let's say i'm just a 135 guy flying an ultra. The boss says go pick up xyz and fly to abc. I'm just flying the pax for the company i'm working for, i might not even know who netjets is. i'm just doing my job.

Bear with me if it didn't make sense i'm not even sure what time zone i'm in.

O.K., now you get the picture... I've been thinking about it for a while now as well. The more I do, the more rediculous this issue seems.

Now I ask you to go out, find your co-workers that are throwing around this scab-listing idea, and beat them senseless. I would NEVER, believe me never cross a picket line. However this issue isn't even close to crossing a line and therefore won't think twice about taking ANY trip (NetJets or otherwise).

 

[ghostrider64]

Seems simple to me....

Any pilot who flies an airplane that is operated by Netjets and that ends in QS union pilots or not (NJI) (replacements) etc... during a work stopage, in my opinion would earn the scarlet letter...

135 charter guys would not...

 

[Diesel]

Another interesting question to ask is what about EJM. They operate non QS tail numbers but work for the same company.

NJI is a no brainer.

 

[400A]

Another interesting question to ask is what about EJM. They operate non QS tail numbers but work for the same company.

NJI is a no brainer.

Interesting point, but how do you tell which ones work for EJM and which ones work for the owner of the aircraft and just operate on EJM certificate?

 

[Daveman]

I was curious as to how the pro-"scab-list" NJ pilots were going to acquire the names of these so-called scabs. Stalk FBO's? Copy tail numbers? I don't know?

Hey, anyone who decides to fly for Q.S. or any affliate while the pilots are on strike is a scab and should be dealt with.
Joe Blow who flies for ACME charter Co. that happens to pick up one of NJ's trip should be left alone period. Enough said.

 

[brokeflyer]

I was just hired at NetJets this week. We do all need to stick together. I would not have any harsh feelings about a plane from another operator flying our people. When dispatch calls, you go where your told and I will do whatever I can to feed my family. And I'm sure all the charter pilots will do the same. Lets all just stick together as pilots, it is management vs. pilots....remember that. WE share the sky together. We don't share it with management.

 

[414Flyer]

So if people can just make up their own definition of scabs, which happens on this message board a fair amount it seems, couldnt higher paid corporate pilots then call those same NJ pilots scabs for then taking that low of a pay?

Looks I know its not a scab. Just remembering how some people called Mesa pilots scabs for taking a job with that low of starting pay. But I do think it is rather ironic that certain NJ pilots, who are unfortunately vastly underpaid, are trying to dictate to others in the industry, who are probably higher paid on the same equipment, what they can do and cant do in their job.

Also am pretty sure most NJ pilots would not be involved in this, but those who are tossing around scab, are making themselves look ridiculous.

 

[Grim Reaper]

This whole SCAB list thing is NUCKING FUTS.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

NJI is a no brainer.

Let me understand this correctly. You're saying if you (meaning NJA pilots) go on strike and a NJI pilot goes to work flying his/her Gulfstream, then they will be branded a SCAB?



If my memory serves me right, when Comair went on strike in 2001, Both Delta Mainline and ASA pilots continued to work, and all three airlines were owned by the same corporation. Neither group was considered SCABS because they continued to work, flying their own aircraft, not Comairs.



I think you gentlemen and ladies at NJA need to carefully evaluate what you’re saying on these and other web boards. Your comments and innuendos are certainly not gaining support from pilots who you will need it from; if and when a work stoppage occurs. Aviation is a small society.