The NetJets Scab list threat...

[G100driver]

Barking up the wrong tree? Instead of penalizing the 135 pilot that is just doing his or her job, why not penalize the pilot managers, assistant chief on up, who expect their pilots to fly NetJets work during a strike? Although not "scabs", they are aware that they are accepting payment from NetJets to fly struck work.

Still barking up the wrong tree. Pilot managers work for owners. People that have airplanes on certificate expect revenue and really do not give a rats arse about NetJets. Why would those pilot managers ect put their jobs at risk for doing nothing more than doing the job that has been asked of them.

Do you think that in '84 UAL pilots held a grudges against AA pilots who flew UAL ticketed passengers? If you answered no to this question then how should 135 pilots who fly for seperate certificate holders be treated?

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Are you saying that in '84 UAL management called AA management and said, "we've got 300 pax at gate A14, how about sending one of your "charter" aircraft over to gate A14 to take them to Miami."? I wasn't paying much attention in '84 if this was true. That's much different than those 300 pax going to the AA counter and exchanging their own ticket. If the 135 company management declines the struck work NetJets sell-off they could receive a direct call from the pax and do the trip directly for the client.

 

[Sun Tzu]

There is whole lot of uncertantity out there right now with the Netjets pilots. Don't let a few emoitional posts rule the day. I'm sure when and if the time comes, cool heads will prevail and only the pilots that earn the title "SCAB" will be given it. Doing charter trips for Netjets under strike conditions is the same as doing them right now. Our beef is with the contract violoations and not the charter companies. As a Netjets pilot, I would not expect any Charter pilots to risk thier job so that I could keep mine. Hopefully ASAP will have much better luck with negoitiations, and legal recourse to get the company to play fair.

Netjets
Leave nothing to chance!!!!

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Are you saying that in '84 UAL management called AA management and said, "we've got 300 pax at gate A14, how about sending one of your "charter" aircraft over to gate A14 to take them to Miami."? I wasn't paying much attention in '84 if this was true. That's much different than those 300 pax going to the AA counter and exchanging their own ticket. If the 135 company management declines the struck work NetJets sell-off they could receive a direct call from the pax and do the trip directly for the client.

 

[400A]

There is whole lot of uncertantity out there right now with the Netjets pilots. Don't let a few emoitional posts rule the day. I'm sure when and if the time comes, cool heads will prevail and only the pilots that earn the title "SCAB" will be given it. Doing charter trips for Netjets under strike conditions is the same as doing them right now. Our beef is with the contract violoations and not the charter companies. As a Netjets pilot, I would not expect any Charter pilots to risk thier job so that I could keep mine. Hopefully ASAP will have much better luck with negoitiations, and legal recourse to get the company to play fair.

Netjets
Leave nothing to chance!!!!

Well said Sun, As I said before, the charter operators can actually be more help by flying. Doubling NetJets cost, and having Owners unhappy about riding on too many charters will put more pressure on Mgt. to resolve their issues with you.

 

[400A]

Are you saying that in '84 UAL management called AA management and said, "we've got 300 pax at gate A14, how about sending one of your "charter" aircraft over to gate A14 to take them to Miami."? I wasn't paying much attention in '84 if this was true. That's much different than those 300 pax going to the AA counter and exchanging their own ticket. If the 135 company management declines the struck work NetJets sell-off they could receive a direct call from the pax and do the trip directly for the client.

Well, actually, I think the gate agents that had the screaming passengers in front of them did it.

They may not have chartered whole airplanes, but they sure checked on empty seats.

 

[G100driver]

There is whole lot of uncertantity out there right now with the Netjets pilots. Don't let a few emoitional posts rule the day. I'm sure when and if the time comes, cool heads will prevail and only the pilots that earn the title "SCAB" will be given it. Doing charter trips for Netjets under strike conditions is the same as doing them right now. Our beef is with the contract violoations and not the charter companies. As a Netjets pilot, I would not expect any Charter pilots to risk thier job so that I could keep mine. Hopefully ASAP will have much better luck with negoitiations, and legal recourse to get the company to play fair.

Netjets
Leave nothing to chance!!!!

Nice to see a voice of reason on this very emotional issue.

Rubber Ducky, you still did not answer my orginal question. Should pilot managers risk their jobs for saying no to NetJet charters?

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Pilot managers have a responsibility to protect their employees from being put in the situation of flying struck work.

 

[G100driver]

Wrong ... pilot managers (in the non 91K world)have a responsiblity to the aircraft owners. Nice try.

Many pilot managers are nothing more than pilots given the responsiblity of flying and managing an aircraft. Your labor beef is just that ... your labor beef, not ours. I do wish you all the luck in the world and if you look at my past post you will see that I am a strong labor supporter.

If you include the rest of the world in you labor issues you will cause nothing more than resentment towards the NetJet pilot group.

Get enough owners on a non-QS registered aircraft and it will get noticed.

 

[G100driver]

So, should a pilot manager get fired to support your labor cause?

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Its not my labor cause and in the 91k world you won't have to worry about doing any chartered NetJets trips. As far as responibility to the aircraft owner in a 135 operation... If you charter directly to a NetJets owner instead of directly to NetJets AND you provide a higher level of service to that person, then you just earned future business which IS looking out for the actual aircraft owner.

 

[longrangekiller]

All this talk of a SCAB list presumes the NJA pilot group will be released to self-help, i.e. strike. Being release to self-help is possible but not likely. What is likely is recess. The NMB will deal harshly with those that would engage in unauthorized labor (self-help) actions during recess. Very much like the AA guys when they received the heavy fine.



So all this non-sense about a SCAB list is premature, really just plain childish and not relevant to the condition that the NJA pilots are in.



I would not be surprised if NJA management has not already communicated the NJA labor situation to the owners and made it clear that owner support of the company position is paramount unless they, the owners, want to pay a SUBTANICAL amount more for the same service.



So, you NJA guys beat your SCAB list chest and make threats. You are only hurting yourselves.

 

[Clutch_Cargo]

You are only hurting yourselves.

Hmmmm... seems to be a trend, maybe even a consensus, here.

cc

 

[Dangerkitty]

First of all RICHARD, I am very familiar with what a SCAB is. That is why I know that as a charter operator flying a charter for Net Jets, that I am not one. And that is why if Net Jets and ALPA want to list Charter pilots as some sort of SCAB, then if will be a false defamation. Therefore I believe that if it happens, some one will take that one to class action status.

Unions can not just go around wrecking everyones lives because they dont get their way.

As I have said, and many others have as well. If WE as charter pilots are labeled SCABS, the back ground noise you will hear is all of the NetJet and SCAB list endorsing pilots resumes going through the shredder.

Again, If I were at a union carrier I would join, And I would NEVER cross a picket line, but this is not the same thing. Not even Close.

400A,

My apologies. I misunderstood your post that I quoted. Sorry, but much can be lost in the conversation of a message board. Evidentally you do understand what is going on.

I do like the Richard comment though. Made me laugh!

 

[400A]

400A,

My apologies. I misunderstood your post that I quoted. Sorry, but much can be lost in the conversation of a message board. Evidentally you do understand what is going on.

I do like the Richard comment though. Made me laugh!

No Harm, No Foul.

I actually thought that might be the case.

400A

 

[Diesel]

i've been thinking about this for a while now. Coming from the 135 world and now to nj.

I don't believe that other charter pilots should be called scabs if they do fly our trips in THEIR own airplane. They are just doing what THEIR boss says for them to do. Although they might be prolonging our problems our fight isn't with them. Our fight is with our company. Not our owners and not our vendors.

Let's say i'm just a 135 guy flying an ultra. The boss says go pick up xyz and fly to abc. I'm just flying the pax for the company i'm working for, i might not even know who netjets is. i'm just doing my job.

Bear with me if it didn't make sense i'm not even sure what time zone i'm in.

 

[h25b]

i've been thinking about this for a while now. Coming from the 135 world and now to nj.

I don't believe that other charter pilots should be called scabs if they do fly our trips in THEIR own airplane. They are just doing what THEIR boss says for them to do. Although they might be prolonging our problems our fight isn't with them. Our fight is with our company. Not our owners and not our vendors.

Let's say i'm just a 135 guy flying an ultra. The boss says go pick up xyz and fly to abc. I'm just flying the pax for the company i'm working for, i might not even know who netjets is. i'm just doing my job.

Bear with me if it didn't make sense i'm not even sure what time zone i'm in.

O.K., now you get the picture... I've been thinking about it for a while now as well. The more I do, the more rediculous this issue seems.

Now I ask you to go out, find your co-workers that are throwing around this scab-listing idea, and beat them senseless. I would NEVER, believe me never cross a picket line. However this issue isn't even close to crossing a line and therefore won't think twice about taking ANY trip (NetJets or otherwise).

 

[ghostrider64]

Seems simple to me....

Any pilot who flies an airplane that is operated by Netjets and that ends in QS union pilots or not (NJI) (replacements) etc... during a work stopage, in my opinion would earn the scarlet letter...

135 charter guys would not...

 

[Diesel]

Another interesting question to ask is what about EJM. They operate non QS tail numbers but work for the same company.

NJI is a no brainer.

 

[400A]

Another interesting question to ask is what about EJM. They operate non QS tail numbers but work for the same company.

NJI is a no brainer.

Interesting point, but how do you tell which ones work for EJM and which ones work for the owner of the aircraft and just operate on EJM certificate?