The NetJets Scab list threat...

[Dangerkitty]

I hope the ALPA airlines promise you jobs, since you will be the SCABS in the Corporate / 135 world.

SCABS in the Corporate world is an oxymoron. I have yet to hear of any Corporate Operators other than NetJets that are unionized. I don't view them as a Corporate Operator however.

I also think you have no idea what a SCAB is. Going to work and doing your job, when you don't have a contract forbidding struck work is NOT BEING A SCAB.

You need to find out what a SCAB is there junior.

Do any charter pilots smell a class action law suit besides me?

What?

 

[pilotyip]

Using this same approach back in the mid 80's 90's would not the pilots at DAL, NWA, etc be branded as SCABS when they flew UAL passengers who could not fly UAL because UAL was on strike? How about the bus drivers and train engineers who hauled the UAL passengers? Pilots would have to cross the Netjets picket line and fly Netjets airplanes to be properly branded.

 

[habubuaza]

I don't like it when the word SCAB is thrown around loosely. It should apply to people who are really scabs. Contract-Failed Negotiations-Released from Mediation-Self Help-Strike-Cross Picket Line= Scab. However, with that being said (And I am unfamiliar with the corporate world and any CBA they may have) but with that being said if there are real strikes in the fractional world and corporate guys are crossing picket lines I would want to know about it and I would want to know who they were.

 

[AA717driver]

If someone crosses a RLA-authorized picket line to fly aircraft owned by, operated by and on the certificate of the company being struck, then that person can be labeled a scab.TC

 

[Dangerkitty]

Using this same approach back in the mid 80's 90's would not the pilots at DAL, NWA, etc be branded as SCABS when they flew UAL passengers who could not fly UAL because UAL was on strike? How about the bus drivers and train engineers who hauled the UAL passengers? Pilots would have to cross the Netjets picket line and fly Netjets airplanes to be properly branded.

Pilotyip,

It's kind of a moot point now anyway becuase most (if not all) unionized carriers have prohibitions from flying "struck work."

I agree with your last statement though. The only way you would be a SCAB is if you cross a NetJet picket line to fly a NetJet aircraft. Apparently, that concept is lost on those throwing around the SCAB word with no idea what they are talking about.

 

[Clutch_Cargo]

I can tell you as a former ALPA and Teamster airline pilot that a scab would be one of your own pilots that fails to participate in your strike, and continues to fly. Someone hired by Netjets to replace you while you are on strike is a strike breaker, not a scab. A non-union pilot that works for another company that Netjets contracts to fly your struck work is a pilot doing his or her job. They are neither scabs nor strike breakers. They a pilots doing their jobs, and really have little choice in the matter, unless they want to be fired by their employer to help your cause (which would do absolutely nothing for their career in Part 91 or 135 but harm it).

I quoted Sleepy from one of the deleted threads on this subject because I thought he put it well... and it really is that simple. The NetJets guys throwing around the "scab" word apparently don't even know what it means. We would not be the scabs here, you would... your guys crossing your line. Pilots flying trips, even those subbed by NetJets, are just employees doing their jobs. They wouldn't even be strike breakers unless they went to work for NetJets and drew a paycheck from them.

I don't think making these statements, these threats, is a good road to go down if you wish to garner support from the outside. And if I were a fellow union member I'd be more than a little ticked that some of you are out there doing it. I think most pilots feel for you and support your cause but, if you continue to threaten their livelihoods, I wouldn't expect that to last.

cc

 

[400A]

Junior

SCABS in the Corporate world is an oxymoron. I have yet to hear of any Corporate Operators other than NetJets that are unionized. I don't view them as a Corporate Operator however.

I also think you have no idea what a SCAB is. Going to work and doing your job, when you don't have a contract forbidding struck work is NOT BEING A SCAB.

You need to find out what a SCAB is there junior.



What?

First of all RICHARD, I am very familiar with what a SCAB is. That is why I know that as a charter operator flying a charter for Net Jets, that I am not one. And that is why if Net Jets and ALPA want to list Charter pilots as some sort of SCAB, then if will be a false defamation. Therefore I believe that if it happens, some one will take that one to class action status.

Unions can not just go around wrecking everyones lives because they dont get their way.

As I have said, and many others have as well. If WE as charter pilots are labeled SCABS, the back ground noise you will hear is all of the NetJet and SCAB list endorsing pilots resumes going through the shredder.

Again, If I were at a union carrier I would join, And I would NEVER cross a picket line, but this is not the same thing. Not even Close.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I don't think making these statements, these threats, is a good road to go down if you wish to garner support from the outside. And if I were a fellow union member I'd be more than a little ticked that some of you are out there doing it. I think most pilots feel for you and support your cause but, if you continue to threaten their livelihoods, I wouldn't expect that to last.

BINGO!

 

[CatYaaak]

However, with that being said (And I am unfamiliar with the corporate world and any CBA they may have) but with that being said if there are real strikes in the fractional world and corporate guys are crossing picket lines I would want to know about it and I would want to know who they were.

Most corporate guys don't see NJA as a desirable employer anyway, let alone desire to cross a picket line to go work there. If they did, they could be working there yesterday, and a good proportion of corporate guys would love to see NJA close-up forever....why would they want to help it survive?

NJA guys know this all too well (or are so clueless they just don't get it) which is why the scablist threats are going outside the real definition of scabbing like crossing a picket line, flying their planes, etc. in a feeble, pathetic attempt to brand other, tangental pilots who don't fit it either..ie, 135 guys already doing their jobs for a separate employer, outside the 91K frac industry.

For those doing the threatening, it's just baseless and mis-applied power-tripping....but it has ramifications. As Clutch rightly implied, the members who have brains should put a muzzle on the ones who only have mouths before everyone comes to the conclusion that the entire membership lives down to the saying "If you take clean water and mix it with a little dirty water, all you end up with is a lot of dirty water".

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Barking up the wrong tree? Instead of penalizing the 135 pilot that is just doing his or her job, why not penalize the pilot managers, assistant chief on up, who expect their pilots to fly NetJets work during a strike? Although not "scabs", they are aware that they are accepting payment from NetJets to fly struck work.