The NetJets Scab list threat...

[Clutch_Cargo]

I can tell you as a former ALPA and Teamster airline pilot that a scab would be one of your own pilots that fails to participate in your strike, and continues to fly. Someone hired by Netjets to replace you while you are on strike is a strike breaker, not a scab. A non-union pilot that works for another company that Netjets contracts to fly your struck work is a pilot doing his or her job. They are neither scabs nor strike breakers. They a pilots doing their jobs, and really have little choice in the matter, unless they want to be fired by their employer to help your cause (which would do absolutely nothing for their career in Part 91 or 135 but harm it).

I quoted Sleepy from one of the deleted threads on this subject because I thought he put it well... and it really is that simple. The NetJets guys throwing around the "scab" word apparently don't even know what it means. We would not be the scabs here, you would... your guys crossing your line. Pilots flying trips, even those subbed by NetJets, are just employees doing their jobs. They wouldn't even be strike breakers unless they went to work for NetJets and drew a paycheck from them.

I don't think making these statements, these threats, is a good road to go down if you wish to garner support from the outside. And if I were a fellow union member I'd be more than a little ticked that some of you are out there doing it. I think most pilots feel for you and support your cause but, if you continue to threaten their livelihoods, I wouldn't expect that to last.

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[400A]

Junior

SCABS in the Corporate world is an oxymoron. I have yet to hear of any Corporate Operators other than NetJets that are unionized. I don't view them as a Corporate Operator however.

I also think you have no idea what a SCAB is. Going to work and doing your job, when you don't have a contract forbidding struck work is NOT BEING A SCAB.

You need to find out what a SCAB is there junior.



What?

First of all RICHARD, I am very familiar with what a SCAB is. That is why I know that as a charter operator flying a charter for Net Jets, that I am not one. And that is why if Net Jets and ALPA want to list Charter pilots as some sort of SCAB, then if will be a false defamation. Therefore I believe that if it happens, some one will take that one to class action status.

Unions can not just go around wrecking everyones lives because they dont get their way.

As I have said, and many others have as well. If WE as charter pilots are labeled SCABS, the back ground noise you will hear is all of the NetJet and SCAB list endorsing pilots resumes going through the shredder.

Again, If I were at a union carrier I would join, And I would NEVER cross a picket line, but this is not the same thing. Not even Close.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I don't think making these statements, these threats, is a good road to go down if you wish to garner support from the outside. And if I were a fellow union member I'd be more than a little ticked that some of you are out there doing it. I think most pilots feel for you and support your cause but, if you continue to threaten their livelihoods, I wouldn't expect that to last.

BINGO!

 

[CatYaaak]

However, with that being said (And I am unfamiliar with the corporate world and any CBA they may have) but with that being said if there are real strikes in the fractional world and corporate guys are crossing picket lines I would want to know about it and I would want to know who they were.

Most corporate guys don't see NJA as a desirable employer anyway, let alone desire to cross a picket line to go work there. If they did, they could be working there yesterday, and a good proportion of corporate guys would love to see NJA close-up forever....why would they want to help it survive?

NJA guys know this all too well (or are so clueless they just don't get it) which is why the scablist threats are going outside the real definition of scabbing like crossing a picket line, flying their planes, etc. in a feeble, pathetic attempt to brand other, tangental pilots who don't fit it either..ie, 135 guys already doing their jobs for a separate employer, outside the 91K frac industry.

For those doing the threatening, it's just baseless and mis-applied power-tripping....but it has ramifications. As Clutch rightly implied, the members who have brains should put a muzzle on the ones who only have mouths before everyone comes to the conclusion that the entire membership lives down to the saying "If you take clean water and mix it with a little dirty water, all you end up with is a lot of dirty water".

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Barking up the wrong tree? Instead of penalizing the 135 pilot that is just doing his or her job, why not penalize the pilot managers, assistant chief on up, who expect their pilots to fly NetJets work during a strike? Although not "scabs", they are aware that they are accepting payment from NetJets to fly struck work.

 

[G100driver]

Barking up the wrong tree? Instead of penalizing the 135 pilot that is just doing his or her job, why not penalize the pilot managers, assistant chief on up, who expect their pilots to fly NetJets work during a strike? Although not "scabs", they are aware that they are accepting payment from NetJets to fly struck work.

Still barking up the wrong tree. Pilot managers work for owners. People that have airplanes on certificate expect revenue and really do not give a rats arse about NetJets. Why would those pilot managers ect put their jobs at risk for doing nothing more than doing the job that has been asked of them.

Do you think that in '84 UAL pilots held a grudges against AA pilots who flew UAL ticketed passengers? If you answered no to this question then how should 135 pilots who fly for seperate certificate holders be treated?

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Are you saying that in '84 UAL management called AA management and said, "we've got 300 pax at gate A14, how about sending one of your "charter" aircraft over to gate A14 to take them to Miami."? I wasn't paying much attention in '84 if this was true. That's much different than those 300 pax going to the AA counter and exchanging their own ticket. If the 135 company management declines the struck work NetJets sell-off they could receive a direct call from the pax and do the trip directly for the client.

 

[Sun Tzu]

There is whole lot of uncertantity out there right now with the Netjets pilots. Don't let a few emoitional posts rule the day. I'm sure when and if the time comes, cool heads will prevail and only the pilots that earn the title "SCAB" will be given it. Doing charter trips for Netjets under strike conditions is the same as doing them right now. Our beef is with the contract violoations and not the charter companies. As a Netjets pilot, I would not expect any Charter pilots to risk thier job so that I could keep mine. Hopefully ASAP will have much better luck with negoitiations, and legal recourse to get the company to play fair.

Netjets
Leave nothing to chance!!!!

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Are you saying that in '84 UAL management called AA management and said, "we've got 300 pax at gate A14, how about sending one of your "charter" aircraft over to gate A14 to take them to Miami."? I wasn't paying much attention in '84 if this was true. That's much different than those 300 pax going to the AA counter and exchanging their own ticket. If the 135 company management declines the struck work NetJets sell-off they could receive a direct call from the pax and do the trip directly for the client.

 

[400A]

There is whole lot of uncertantity out there right now with the Netjets pilots. Don't let a few emoitional posts rule the day. I'm sure when and if the time comes, cool heads will prevail and only the pilots that earn the title "SCAB" will be given it. Doing charter trips for Netjets under strike conditions is the same as doing them right now. Our beef is with the contract violoations and not the charter companies. As a Netjets pilot, I would not expect any Charter pilots to risk thier job so that I could keep mine. Hopefully ASAP will have much better luck with negoitiations, and legal recourse to get the company to play fair.

Netjets
Leave nothing to chance!!!!

Well said Sun, As I said before, the charter operators can actually be more help by flying. Doubling NetJets cost, and having Owners unhappy about riding on too many charters will put more pressure on Mgt. to resolve their issues with you.

 

[400A]

Are you saying that in '84 UAL management called AA management and said, "we've got 300 pax at gate A14, how about sending one of your "charter" aircraft over to gate A14 to take them to Miami."? I wasn't paying much attention in '84 if this was true. That's much different than those 300 pax going to the AA counter and exchanging their own ticket. If the 135 company management declines the struck work NetJets sell-off they could receive a direct call from the pax and do the trip directly for the client.

Well, actually, I think the gate agents that had the screaming passengers in front of them did it.

They may not have chartered whole airplanes, but they sure checked on empty seats.

 

[G100driver]

There is whole lot of uncertantity out there right now with the Netjets pilots. Don't let a few emoitional posts rule the day. I'm sure when and if the time comes, cool heads will prevail and only the pilots that earn the title "SCAB" will be given it. Doing charter trips for Netjets under strike conditions is the same as doing them right now. Our beef is with the contract violoations and not the charter companies. As a Netjets pilot, I would not expect any Charter pilots to risk thier job so that I could keep mine. Hopefully ASAP will have much better luck with negoitiations, and legal recourse to get the company to play fair.

Netjets
Leave nothing to chance!!!!

Nice to see a voice of reason on this very emotional issue.

Rubber Ducky, you still did not answer my orginal question. Should pilot managers risk their jobs for saying no to NetJet charters?

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Pilot managers have a responsibility to protect their employees from being put in the situation of flying struck work.

 

[G100driver]

Wrong ... pilot managers (in the non 91K world)have a responsiblity to the aircraft owners. Nice try.

Many pilot managers are nothing more than pilots given the responsiblity of flying and managing an aircraft. Your labor beef is just that ... your labor beef, not ours. I do wish you all the luck in the world and if you look at my past post you will see that I am a strong labor supporter.

If you include the rest of the world in you labor issues you will cause nothing more than resentment towards the NetJet pilot group.

Get enough owners on a non-QS registered aircraft and it will get noticed.

 

[G100driver]

So, should a pilot manager get fired to support your labor cause?