The NetJets Scab list threat...

[Jolimon]

Why do you guys trust the teamsters so much? It doesn't sound like they are fighting for your best interests.

 

[G4dude]

Why do you guys trust the teamsters so much? It doesn't sound like they are fighting for your best interests.

EXACTLY!!!

 

[El Chupacabra]

We ARE the teamsters. We trust US.

 

[Jolimon]

What? You must be a Union Rep. Leading us into the no job catagory

 

[G4dude]

We ARE the teamsters. We trust US.

Unions lie to their members. They mismanage the pension funds, lie during negotiations, use current conflicts to extract revenge against old adversaries at the expense of the membership (see EAL/Lorenzo struggle), and the Teamsters are the WORST. I cannot imagine a union less likely to get you guys a good deal than the Teamsters.

 

[El Chupacabra]

What? You must be a Union Rep. Leading us into the no job catagory

As long as you wind up with no job it will be all worth it. I can see why you are worried. You can't even spell.

 

[AA717driver]

Gunfyter--The company HAS to treat the NJA people strictly by the letter of the CBA. If they don't it establishes "past practice" and THAT becomes the baseline when an issue comes before an arbitrator.

That is the unfortunate reality of life under a contract.

At NJI, if a scheduler cuts someone some slack because they helped out scheduling before, it's ok. No one can bring it up in arbitration and use it against the scheduler or the company.

With a union carrier, everyone walks around on pins and needles. You never know when you will violate the CBA or the company will TRY to violate it to see if it gets by someone and establishes "past practice" and can be used in the future.

Having been in that environment for 17 years, it sucks. Free at last, free at last...TC

 

[suen1843]

Unions lie to their members. They mismanage the pension funds, lie during negotiations, use current conflicts to extract revenge against old adversaries at the expense of the membership (see EAL/Lorenzo struggle), and the Teamsters are the WORST. I cannot imagine a union less likely to get you guys a good deal than the Teamsters.

Put me near the top of the list for not caring for unions, but G4 I think you are a little off base here. From what I have read on all the various threads, and on the ASAP board, the Netjets group is doing its own thing. Yes, they are part of the Teamsters but all the negotiating in progress is exclusively being done by their own MEC (who are all NJ pilots).
Having a local which is not associated with a bigger group (ie, Teamsters, IBEW, MEBA, etc etc etc) is almost impossible. For them to go it on their own would require mega-months of time....time they do not have.
Leaving the single-carrier issue aside, you should be supporting these pilots. Yes..they are way underpaid. Yes...they didn't get a very good T/A late last year. Yess....on and on. But, they are trying to do something about it. Take away the radical voices of NJA (and they are very few but very vocal) and you have a great bunch of guys who just want to make a decent living while doing something we all love to do...fly the airplanes.
If you had seen some of the info on the ASAP board, you would know that their MEC is not giving them any firm info and is not lying to them. That's one of the big differences between this MEC and the past bunch. They are doing their best to be realistic in their info to the members. Yeah, yeah, I know that the vocal, radical minority take the smallest bit of info and inflate it to "pie in the sky" proportions. It makes for heated conversations and debates among the rank and file, but I think most of them are realistic enough to know the fat lady ain't singing yet.

 

[AA717driver]

Reality,

You got it right. But I will answer your question.

The reason for the single carrier is that NJI flies from home. NJA wants us all do move to DAL TEB LAX CMH and MCO.

The want to cap your pay at 81K for bottom 70 percent of Captains and thats after 10 years of Sservice. But they want to pay G drivers market wages. Imagine a TA proposal that came across with G drivers getting to fly from home and paid well ... and then all the rest of us forced to RCAs and paid LOW.

That dog won't hunt.

El Chupacabra--That's why I'm pi$$ed about the whole SC thing. NJA won't GAIN all those things if you are successful with the filing. They will lose them AND you will STILL have to negotiate them in the new contract.

AND you will have dragged a whole bunch of people into your company who are unwilling participants who will very quickly become WILLING participants in a struggle for control of your MEC. BTDT.

Your dog is sniffing up the wrong tree...TC

 

[x402]

El Chupacabra--That's why I'm pi$$ed about the whole SC thing. NJA won't GAIN all those things if you are successful with the filing. They will lose them AND you will STILL have to negotiate them in the new contract.

AND you will have dragged a whole bunch of people into your company who are unwilling participants who will very quickly become WILLING participants in a struggle for control of your MEC. BTDT.

Your dog is sniffing up the wrong tree...TC

No, we will have brought the planes and crew members that Santuli has been using against us into the fold. We wish the G-Wizz guys no harm or have any hard feelings. Fight for control of the next MEC election, that's what elections are for. That's why we have serious MEC members instead of the puppets from the last local.