The logic of relative seniority

[ivauir]

Yawn.

You're talking to yourself, Chief. I could debate you point by point, but why bother? It's up to the Merger Committees and/or Arbitration.

See you on the other side.

Typical Ty,

You talk SLI until someone makes salient points you don't like then you pretend to leave it up to the committees.

Either be willing to debate or leave the subject alone.

 

[RedDogC130]

Moderator hat on:

Personal attacks will NOT be allowed. I don't know how many times I have to say it.

Cometman suspended for 7 days. Next time it will be a 30 day suspension. 3rd offense is permanent banning.

Abide by the ToS.

/mod

Lear,

I read what Cometman posted and it was not a personal attack. You have the biggest conflict of interest on this site. Someone does not talk nice to one of your boy friends and you get upset and ban them for something they did not do. I sure hope you know your real name is all over other SWA forums and you are making quite a name for yourself without even being on the property. If you do not think management reads these sites....you are wrong again. Might want to change you plan of attack.

 

[Dash Power]

At appears to me as long as you , or :laugh: or, , or , or , you are allowed to throw passive aggressive insults. Interesting interpretation.

Anyways, all this concern about seniority integration will be dust in the wind in short order. I believe the real short term concern is integrating the two airlines together. And the FAA has much to do with when we turn on the one certificate switch. It will take potentially years for that to happen.

Even with a quick resolution to seniority issues, it will be much longer before we see the results of any seniority integration. I will guess that it will take two years before we work under one certificate. And until then, we will have two unions flying Southwest aircraft.

Whether it would be the two unlikely events of a staple vs relative seniority, none of us will realize any benefits for a good time to come.

 

[Angus]

Get real.... LMAO!

Lear,

I read what Cometman posted and it was not a personal attack. You have the biggest conflict of interest on this site. Someone does not talk nice to one of your boy friends and you get upset and ban them for something they did not do. I sure hope you know your real name is all over other SWA forums and you are making quite a name for yourself without even being on the property. If you do not think management reads these sites....you are wrong again. Might want to change you plan of attack.

Southwest Airline Board Room - December 2010

Subject: Emergency Meeting regarding Flightinfo.com

Gary: "Get Herb on the phone IMMEDIATELY... we have a MAJOR problem".

Colleen: "What is it Gary?! Is there an issue with the FAA, fuel hedging, The AirTran merger?? What is it??

Gary: No nothing like that. Much more important. Lear70 banned Cometman for 7 days for a personal atatck against Ty Webb on Flightinfo, and we feel there might be a conflict of interest in his Moderating duties.....

Colleen: Oh my GOD!! NOOOOO.........!! Have we called all the Department Heads yet?

Gary: No not yet. We need Herb on the line for this. We may need to email the Flightinfo Webmaster.... this is SERIOUS!!

Colleen: Good thing we have Trained Specialists monitoring Flightinfo for these type of things... this could wreck havoc on our entire Operation.

Gary: We need to give Cometman our 100% support during this crisis...

Colleen: Good god man... how can we possibly do that? He claims to not even work for Southwest. Finding his identity could be impossible.

Gary: Well... we will be standing by during his 7 day ban to assist as we can. For now lets put heat on Lear70. We have his identity and will need to take swift prompt action...

Colleen: I am on it Gary....

Secretary: Ladies and Gentleman... Herb is on line 5.

Gary: Patch him through....

 

[Lear70]

Lear,

I read what Cometman posted and it was not a personal attack. You have the biggest conflict of interest on this site. Someone does not talk nice to one of your boy friends and you get upset and ban them for something they did not do. I sure hope you know your real name is all over other SWA forums and you are making quite a name for yourself without even being on the property. If you do not think management reads these sites....you are wrong again. Might want to change you plan of attack.

Yes, it was a personal attack, and I deleted it as such. Your comment above borders close on it as well. Boyfriends? Really? You think that's not hostile or a personal attack based on my sexual preference? I'm going to leave your post up as an EXAMPLE of what a personal attack is. Further attacks like this WILL be summarily deleted and result in a FI vacation. It doesn't matter if you fly for Southwest, AirTran, or Hong Kong Dog Crap Express, everyone gets treated the same way. Keep your posts on the TOPICS, not personal issues with individual posters.

I'm well aware that my name is on the other SWA forums (I've received phone calls from several friends who are SWA pilots), and most of what is being said is untrue and verifiable through public record. I'm not going to engage on those issues; no one wins those fights. As far as management listening, if they are, I'm sure the many positive things I've said about moving forward and contributing in a positive way to a great future is what they'll take from all this. I don't have a bad attitude, I'm letting the process work and not attacking my future coworkers, and I'm going out there and doing my job well and with a smile, and that's about all anyone can ask of a line pilot.

I'm sorry you can't see that, but I wish you the best of luck and a very Merry Christmas.

Regards,

 

[Lear70]

At appears to me as long as you , or :laugh: or, , or , or , you are allowed to throw passive aggressive insults. Interesting interpretation.

Sorry, sometimes it takes me a while to see a post that's offensive (I'm not on here all day, I do fly a regular line). Sometimes someone has to report it (I don't read every post in every thread, don't have that kind of time).

It's a volunteer position. If there were more of us, it would be easier, but there's not a lot of people who want to do it, and this is part of the reason: it's not a popular job, it's thankless, and often get people mad at you because they don't see the problem with their posts.

You can either be popular or you can do the job well, not really an option to do both. Some days I wonder why I'm doing it at all... really doesn't seem worth the angst.

 

[waveflyer]

Let me get this straight? The 1%ers here are taking Lear totask for his moderating or something more important? The whole reason I'm on FI anonymously is so I don't ever think about getting on the other forums----

Don't use the Internet to create conflict-- it's really dumb to rile yourself and the other 10% up

 

[waveflyer]

Angus- that was pretty funny-

 

[vetrider]

At appears to me as long as you , or :laugh: or, , or , or , you are allowed to throw passive aggressive insults. Interesting interpretation.

Anyways, all this concern about seniority integration will be dust in the wind in short order. I believe the real short term concern is integrating the two airlines together. And the FAA has much to do with when we turn on the one certificate switch. It will take potentially years for that to happen.

Even with a quick resolution to seniority issues, it will be much longer before we see the results of any seniority integration. I will guess that it will take two years before we work under one certificate. And until then, we will have two unions flying Southwest aircraft.

Whether it would be the two unlikely events of a staple vs relative seniority, none of us will realize any benefits for a good time to come.

SWA pilots could tie it up alot longer than that if they had a mind to.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Lear,
The funny thing is that you cannot see how much you "moderate" the SWA/AT threads.

 

[clr4theapch]

To the members it may concern... I received a report on this thread and was appauled that there are members here that are hell bent on destroying a fellow aviator, even tying to ruin a career by outing the person..

Quite frankly, I think it stinks, and it is a BIG violation of the terms of service here.. I don't give a Rats butt who you are or who you work for, nor do I care personally about hiding behind a screen name..

A new member comes on here tonight with 8 stinking posts with the full intent to create discontent at someone elses expense.. His gone for 10 days and will be booted for good if he come back with the same intent...

I dont care enough about this thread or the time to go back a read every post..
So 30 day suspension are effective for anyone that makes another personal attack, from post # 281 forward!

I am not playing around.. be nice, or see ya next year... Tis the season...

 

[Lear70]

Lear,
The funny thing is that you cannot see how much you "moderate" the SWA/AT threads.

Well, like I said on another thread, it's certainly a valid concern. I don't think I'm moderating any more than I moderate other threads (we went through a lot of this with UAir/AWA, a lot of people got time off or outright banned in the first few months after the announcement and especially right after Nicolau).

However, in the interest of fairness and so that nothing can be seen as "inappropriate", I'm stepping away from moderating the SWA/AAI threads. This isn't a decision by the mods or webmaster, it's mine. I'll still be moderating other conversations with other airlines, just will be staying away from the SWA/AAI discussions and letting the other moderators handle it.

Again, looking forward to working with the fine folks at Southwest. Merry Christmas everyone!

 

[FlyinGuy]

Merry Christmas to you as well.

 

[St. Nic]

One can see how this thread devolves into acrimony and biting over a fair way to integrate seniority lists. NOBODY can argue that going by Date of Hire is biased or favors one group over another- every other system of integration leads to the problems we have seen with DAL/ NWA and AWA/ USAir. It doesn't have to be this way and the USAir pilots understand this as well as the appeals courts.
SWAPA has the keys to this merger to do the right thing- establish a date of hire integration for the combined list with conditions and restrictions. It has worked well in the past and is the gold standard we go by in airline labor for our benefits.

 

[Ty Webb]

NOBODY can argue that going by Date of Hire is biased or favors one group over another- every other system of integration leads to the problems we have seen with DAL/ NWA and AWA/ USAir.

I can't believe you even put those two in the same sentence. Thanks for the laugh, but I think you just destroyed your own argument from within.

It doesn't have to be this way and the USAir pilots understand this as well as the appeals courts.

Oh, boy. . . . . You are just filled up with poisonous bile that oozes out into all threads you touch.

SWAPA has the keys to this merger to do the right thing- establish a date of hire integration for the combined list with conditions and restrictions. It has worked well in the past and is the gold standard we go by in airline labor for our benefits.

You don't seem to understand the law . . . SWAPA and ATN71 will work together to find an equitable solution, which will be put to the Pilots to vote on. Mediation is available, and, failing that, arbitration, which is FINAL, btw. Failure to accept the finality of the Arbitration would condemn us to your particular hell, which isn't worth any amount of seniority, IMHO.

Ty