The latest on the AWA and AAA seniority

[Turtle21]

.. I hope the new judge completely rules on the while deal, and puts the USAPA krap to rest. ..

To rest... to rest... seniority to rest.. LOL! that was funny.

 

[Turtle21]

Perhaps if you had any actual knowledge of the facts at the time you wouldn't be so quick to blame anybody.

Nic. knew exactly what he was doing, and the two other neutrals were in full agreement with his decision. On balance, the nic award is completely equitable to all involved.

A Federal Court is about to underscore that point.

Yeah. And chicken little says the sky is about to fall.

 

[iflyhigh]

Guys don't be so quick to assume a jury will rule in your favor.

Behind every door stands a potential surprise.

Be prepared for both directions on the ruling.

 

[johnnyb]

The Addington case is going to remove any ability for USAPA to hide behind some procedural loophole that was never intended to be used as such.

Both ALPA Merger Policy and the Transition Agreement bar management from using an integrated list until there is a single collective bargaining agreement for the new merged airline. Your management, both MECs, the pilot groups, and ALPA’s president still need to get an agreement completed before the seniority list can be implemented.

http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...ew.aspx?itemid=12737&ModuleId=13049&Tabid=251

It's much more than a 'loop hole'

 

[becket]

Both ALPA Merger Policy and the Transition Agreement bar management from using an integrated list until there is a single collective bargaining agreement for the new merged airline. Your management, both MECs, the pilot groups, and ALPA’s president still need to get an agreement completed before the seniority list can be implemented.

http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...ew.aspx?itemid=12737&ModuleId=13049&Tabid=251

It's much more than a 'loop hole'

We'll see. A Federal Judge has very wide latitude and he absolutely get's usapas willingness to delay and evade. He made it clear that it will all come to an end at the conclusion of the trial. We'll see.

 

[get2flyin]

Guys don't be so quick to assume a jury will rule in your favor.

Behind every door stands a potential surprise.

Be prepared for both directions on the ruling.

That's the truth. Hell, OJ was found not guilty. I wonder if the glove will fit Bradford?

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I stand by my original post </sigh>

 

[Turtle21]

We'll see. A Federal Judge has very wide latitude and he absolutely get's usapas willingness to delay and evade. He made it clear that it will all come to an end at the conclusion of the trial. We'll see.

He is a judge not an emperor.

 

[doh]

Both ALPA Merger Policy and the Transition Agreement bar management from using an integrated list until there is a single collective bargaining agreement for the new merged airline. Your management, both MECs, the pilot groups, and ALPA’s president still need to get an agreement completed before the seniority list can be implemented.

http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...ew.aspx?itemid=12737&ModuleId=13049&Tabid=251

It's much more than a 'loop hole'

Since ALPA no longer represents the pilots, are they still bound by ALPA merger policy? The arbitration award is legally binding, but it seems to me that the ALPA policy may no longer apply to the implementation. I am way outside of this (frac jockey), but still interested enough to follow this. It is a first as far as I can tell.

 

[TWA Dude]

Since ALPA no longer represents the pilots, are they still bound by ALPA merger policy?

For future mergers, no, for the previous one, yes. It's really simple: the East is trying to change the merger policy to benefit them over the West. That's a clear DFR case no matter how you feel about the Nicolau Award.

Of course nobody knows how the trial will go but it's a very strong case going in.

 

[doh]

So they will still have to have a joint contract for the list to be merged? If that is the case, then the East really will just vote no all the time. Or can the judge force this?

 

[reepicheep]

There is the distinct possibility of a phyrric victory.

It would still be worth it.

 

[TWA Dude]

So they will still have to have a joint contract for the list to be merged?

Yes.

If that is the case, then the East really will just vote no all the time. Or can the judge force this?

If we win the DFR case the judge will issue some kind of injuction. What it could be and what its effect would be is unknown. Of course they'll appeal but he seems to have a very good understanding of what's at stake so there's a good chance he'd make it very painful for the East to continue on their unvirtuous path. Their delay tactics of the past 22 months have benefitted them greatly already in terms of upgrades and fewer furloughs and the judge knows this. We can only hope justice will prevail.

 

[Fast43]

He is a judge not an emperor.

In this you are correct. However if you do not believe that he can amend the TA and order the list implemented, call up usapa and ask seham what a Federal Judge can and can't do. On second thought, if you want a real answer and not the delusional answer. Ask most any other legal entity. You may find out that the Judge is just like an Emperor in this area if he follows the law.

 

[MK82Man]

It’s been a while since I’ve posted, but I see the same “idiots” and “nonsense-spewers” are still here on FI. Glad to see my fellow AWA pilots still carrying the mail and providing rational input to the discussion and the continuing support of our fellow professional airline pilots.

For what it is worth, your view crystallizes pretty clearly when you have been furloughed for 5 months. All the while knowing that New Hires and East Furloughees are still working. USAPA has never gone on record over New Hires continuing to work while West pilots were let go. AWA pilots sit on the street in this economy enduring financial and emotional hardship; that should not have happened. What your realize is that this dispute is about money, power, and the East taking advantage of their greater numbers to elevate the East Pilots into a position that the merger & Mr. Nicolau did not place them. It is really that simple. East wants to benefit at the expense of their fellow pilots, they want a “do-over” on the merger agreement, 3 years down the road. Every day that goes by, East takes advantage of West. USAPA and every East pilot is responsible, there is just no way around that. They want to get something for nothing … it is so corrupt, it is just like the Madoff scandal, mortgage loan crisis, bonuses at AIG. Just cheat your way to the top and nobody will know, have time to investigate, or ever call you on it. Except this time, the AWA pilots have drawn a line in the sand and that day of reconciliation is indeed coming. Really with most Fraud, it does catch up with you. We will see if the Judge says USAPA violated its duty of Fair Representation and then what the penalties might be

It is one company, the new US Airways. Every day AWA pilots are denied our 757 growth slots, our E190 slots, and of course the integrated seniority list. All we want is what we agreed too. Every day the East Pilots benefit, while the West Pilots are prevented from capturing what we’ve been awarded or negotiated. We are going to get a Federal Judge to order it to be done the way it was supposed to be done. And I don’t mind flying with anyone out East. I look forward to flying with professional crews, anywhere, at any time.