The JetBlue Incident Shows Why Pilots Should Make 200K

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Texasskicker

I missed the waving part. walked away from the TV. but they were close to Hollywood ya know.

LOL: that was cute "they should have lit up a smoke spit on the ground and wiped the sweat off their brow" in the good old unpolitically correct days.

All and all though, I agree no big deal. We all would have done the exact same thing....... Land the airplane.

Our job is soooooo much easyer than days gone by. We got spoiled starting in the 70's....

BUT WE STILL DESERVE THE 200K$!!!!!! took me 16 years to get the job.

 

[VABB]

Vabb, you are right. AirTran has single handily changed the entire aviation industry. We are the leaders, we set all pricing and wages. We are poised to take over the world. I can walk your resume in for you if you want, I would hate to see someone with your keen insight and intelligence slip away.

When you take over the world, are you going to start with the Everglades?

 

[T-prop]

Who has the power to take 150 lives with one mistake though. Does an EMT cause 150 to die because of a mistake???? no

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[UAL'01]

When you take over the world, are you going to start with the Everglades?

VABB, that comeback is in such poor taste, that I seriously have to question your ability to communicate on a normal level. You should be ashamed to even mention the Everglades in this thread. I am glad I will never have the misfortune to fly with you.

 

[AviateYou]

Agreed! Pilots earn every dime when the stuff hits the fan.


Yeah Stripper's do too, I just don't think a sex change, hi-lights, and breast implants would do it for me!

Alot of you vent but don't present any suggestions to improve the compensation issue. So what are the solutions? As D.O.C's (such as fuel) increase for the air carriers as a whole, wages will continue to suffer. We have to gather the formulas and philosophies of viable air carriers (passenger ops) we know who they are and start adapting and applying those successful strategies so wages can improve. If you are really perturbed, frustrated with the industry, then simply get a job with one of the more successful companies and quit whining. FEDEX is hiring. I personally know one person who has just been hired there are two more that have walk thru's. Find someone there that has flown with you and have them write a recommendation.

If you would really would like to supplement your income then here's another suggestion, take some of your income and invest in real estate. Lake Havasu, Parker, and Phoenix, Arizona have had a 47% return in one year.

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[Ty Webb]

When you take over the world, are you going to start with the Everglades?

About once a year, we get some pathetic P.O.S. on this board who wants to trot out a fatal accident that happened nine years ago. What a scumbag you must be.

Hope that nothing like that ever happens to you or one of your family members.

 

[fletch717]

VABB, You are flame bait. Thats all you ever do on this board. You never have any insight or intelligence to offer, just "little man syndrome". Please tell us all how great the pay and schedules are at USA JET.

Airlinepilotpay.com Compared to AirTran, USA JET does'nt appear to be raising the bar.

 

[SoBeFlyer]

Doesn't Boeing import their landing gear from Canada?

 

[VABB]

VABB, You are flame bait. Thats all you ever do on this board. You never have any insight or intelligence to offer, just "little man syndrome". Please tell us all how great the pay and schedules are at USA JET.

Airlinepilotpay.com Compared to AirTran, USA JET does'nt appear to be raising the bar.

No they do not. It's a good thing I don't work for USA Jet.

 

[fletch717]

Under current position, you state DC-9 Capt at KYIP. But a man of your character would never lie to us right?

 

[Peanut Chaser]

I agree....I could not keep my eyes off Fox News last night.

By the way...please forward this to Shepard Smith and let him know that "co-pilots" are now called First Officers and "Stewardess" are "Flight Attendants"

 

[Phoenix45]

What other job do you go to and all of a sudden have the lives of 149 people in your hands.

Not to take anything away from the awesome job the crew did...

How about Millitary??? I had the lives of 250 Marines and sailors in my hands on a daily basis as a company commander. Even more indirectly in my current duties. I don't make anything near what those pilots do...

Although I do agree that pilots need to make more . It would be a pay cut for me if I started trying to fly professionally....

 

[Texasskicker]

Couldnt stop watchin

Texasskicker

I missed the waving part. walked away from the TV. but they were close to Hollywood ya know.

LOL: that was cute "they should have lit up a smoke spit on the ground and wiped the sweat off their brow" in the good old unpolitically correct days.

All and all though, I agree no big deal. We all would have done the exact same thing....... Land the airplane.

Our job is soooooo much easyer than days gone by. We got spoiled starting in the 70's....

BUT WE STILL DESERVE THE 200K$!!!!!! took me 16 years to get the job.

I was watching the whole thing on PMSnbc. After landing, i watched the pax deplane. Was saying to myself, what if that nose gear collapsed right now with workers swarmin underneath the nose and pax gettin off.

Then, out comes the crew, and two with bars are wavin' for the camera like Ms. America in the Macy's parade...what a couple of non-macho heroes. I was so farggin disappointed.

I couldnt help thinkin back to the days when pilots were real men, and stewardesses were just that...all that and a bag of saturated fat deep fried pork rind. Man, how things have changed.

Why couldn't those computer whizzes posin as pilots fix the dang airplane rather than grind it to a halt. I know, they tried. BUt if yall wanna hold em up as doin such a fine job, ask why they couldnt have fixed it. Ok, Al Haynes couldnt fix his, but that was very very different. THis was a french jet.

Enough of me ramblin' on. I swore off postin after lunch a while ago cause i start driftin off.

Anybody know the specifics of the flight crew...experience, hire date, etc?

 

[aspire]

Q.:
Quote, "BUT WHEN HE GET OUT, he makes his 300K because of all of the sacrifice he made to get there. How are pilots any different."
A.:
Doctors don't make the big money because of the sacrafices made to get there. That's just circumstance. They make what they make because of the laws of supply and demand The fact that it very difficult to become an MD makes the supply of MDs low.

BTW: Kudos the the JetBlue Crew, both the PF and the PNF

 

[h25b]

Great job by the crew, but did they help clean the cabin after it was over ???


Couldn't resist... As a corporate pilot I still laugh about how people thought it was so outrageous that JetBlue crews would help straighten up the cabin.

 

[WatchYourElbows]

If pilots want to make more $$$ they better tell all the youngins' willing to work for beer that they should value their abilities and refuse to whore themselves out anymore. Simple economics, too many pilots...not enough jobs.....watering down of the profession.

 

[VABB]

Under current position, you state DC-9 Capt at KYIP. But a man of your character would never lie to us right?

It says AT KYIP. It doesen't necessarily mean that is my domicile.

If I put that I'm a multi-millionaire in my profile, would you believe that as well?

For all you know, I could be a USA Jet pilot or an AirTran manager. Huuuuuh!?!?!?
Yep, you never know who you are conversing with online.

One thing is for certain, and this is advice: if I were involved in any type of contract negotiations, I wouldn't be shooting my mouth off about how much MORE I make than everyone else, and if someone were to tell me how "little" I make, I wouldn't immediately start defending my salary and telling everybody how great the current payscale is and how you are all quite happy with how much you make.

Has it ever occured to you that your management might be documenting eveything you and Ty Webb say online about how great the pay and working conditions are? It's hard for one to ask their company for a pay raise when at the same time they are online bragging to everybody how great the pay is and how they make so much more than everyone else. Especially when their company might be on the verge of reporting a loss or a streak of losses. But hey, don't take my word for it.

Keep up the good work guys!! All eyes are on you two.

 

[banger]

Not to take anything away from the awesome job the crew did...

How about Millitary??? I had the lives of 250 Marines and sailors in my hands on a daily basis as a company commander. Even more indirectly in my current duties. I don't make anything near what those pilots do...

Although I do agree that pilots need to make more . It would be a pay cut for me if I started trying to fly professionally....

Are you sure? As an 0-5 my salary was higher than it is now.

 

[PA31Driver]

Here is an excerpt from the AP news story.....

"Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who spoke with the pilot, identified him as Scott Burke and praised him for the calm he showed during the flight.

"He joked that he was sorry he put the plane down 6 inches off the center line," Villaraigosa said."

Awesome!!

 

[Ty Webb]

certain, and this is advice: if I were involved in any type of contract negotiations, I wouldn't be shooting my mouth off about how much MORE I make than everyone else, and if someone were to tell me how "little" I make, I wouldn't immediately start defending my salary and telling everybody how great the current payscale is and how you are all quite happy with how much you make.

Gotta love the "free legal advice" on this website . . . . .. . . gimme a break. What's to say I am not an AirTran manager. . . . put down the crack pipe, Perry Mason.

Has it ever occured to you that your management might be documenting eveything you and Ty Webb say online about how great the pay and working conditions are? It's hard for one to ask their company for a pay raise when at the same time they are online bragging to everybody how great the pay is and how they make so much more than everyone else

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Comparing AirTran pay to what you make flying car parts around and crapping in a bag while your wife puts out for half the town isn't going to affect our next contract, Chief.

Our negotiating committee has a mandate from the 1200 pilots who have been polled extensively about what they are looking for in the next contract, and what a few people say on an anonymous message board is not going to affect it. . . hell, we have our own AirTran message boards, with real names, and it doesn;t affect it, either.

Thanks for your "free" legal advice, though, and for your remarks about the Valujet crash. You're really a classy guy.

Have a nice life . . . . in Chihauhau.

 

[VABB]

News flash . . . . . by your same argument, what's to say I am not an AirTran manager, and am making anonymous posts for the reason you dreamed up.


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What a handul of anonymous people say on a message board is not going to affect our negotiating committee, and their mandate is from the 1200 pilots who have been polled extensively about what they are looking for in the next contract.

And comparing AirTran pay to what you make flying car parts around and crapping in a bag while your wife puts out for half the town isn't going to affect the voting decision of 1200 pilots.



Have a nice life

Car parts and crapping in a bag? Hah hah, if only you knew!! Like I said, you will believe anything anybody posts on a message board won't you?

News flash . . . . . by your same argument, what's to say I am not an AirTran manager, and am making anonymous posts for the reason you dreamed up.

First of all, you should have ended that statement with a question mark, a good manager knows correct grammar. Second, you very well could be an AirTran manager, but I doubt it, you get way too emotional.


What a handul of anonymous people say on a message board is not going to affect our negotiating committee, and their mandate is from the 1200 pilots who have been polled extensively about what they are looking for in the next contract.

Do you want to bet? It may not affect your negotiating committee, but I can assure you that the people they are negotiating with, i.e., the company, are reading these types of message boards. By shooting your mouth off about how great your pay and QOL is at AirTran is just one more little piece of ammo the company negotiators will probably arm themselves with. That coupled with the very good probability that AirTran will start posting losses is going to make it very tough for them to justify any type of raise. Can you say concessions?

And comparing AirTran pay to what you make flying car parts around and crapping in a bag while your wife puts out for half the town isn't going to affect the voting decision of 1200 pilots.

Hmmm, I detect some emotion on your part. Is this conversation getting to you? Is insulting one's job and wife your way of trying to hide your true feelings that you are scared that you are going to get screwed in your next contract? Are you feeling insecure?? Because if you were secure, you wouldn't be making statements like that. In fact, you probably wouldn't be bringing them up in the first place.

 

[fletch717]

I defend the company I work for against flammers like you. I'm not bragging about my pay I'm simply setting the record straight. I know the position that I believe my compensation is good is unpopular with some. Yes I like my job, yes I will help clean the cabin on a quick turn, yes I will go find a wheelchair and push it up the jetway. On the rare occasion I have loaded a bag or two, because this helps the company I work for stay successful. I've said this before, I have no illusions about how my company feels about me. If I want more money or better schedules, Its up to me to try to make my company more successful. Vabb you simply have a bad attitude every time you come on this board it's like a broken record, VALUTRASH, SCABS, THE EVERGLADES. If thats the best you can come up with then I have very little to worry about going forward. I certainly hope my management is'nt reading this board, I'd like to think they have much more important things going on. If they do read this board, I believe they are smart enough to know that I only speak for myself.

 

[Ty Webb]

Blah, blah, blah . . . . .

Sorry, man, I've got to go with Murphy here. Sorry you didn;t get hired, but it seems to me the process worked. Have fun in Chihuahua. Pack some TP.

So, Fletch . . . . whatsa happenin', my man? Was that you I heard the other day?

 

[fletch717]

Ty,

My brother, It was me the other night I could here you huff'in and puff'in trying to get that 73 to come down.

 

[Ty Webb]

Too funny!

I figured it was you . . . the other likely suspects all denied it.

 

[-9Capt]

, yes I will help clean the cabin on a quick turn, yes I will go find a wheelchair and push it up the jetway. On the rare occasion I have loaded a bag or two, because this helps the company I work for stay successful. I've said this before, .

Fletch,
we're in mediation now, please stop being proactive.

 

[English]

how u doin english!!

OUTED!!:beer:

 

[JimNtexas]

Comparing AirTran pay to what you make flying car parts around and crapping in a bag while your wife puts out for half the town isn't going to affect our next contract, Chief.

Is this a tough room or what?

 

[ivauir]

That is the bottom line. Why pay a life long professional pilot big bucks when a 22 year old can do the same for a fraction the cost? The 22 year old probably doesn't have a family to support, a house, a 401K, etc. They just want to "fly".

If you don't think you are a better pilot today than when you were 22 ... please quit.

 

[Neubyfly]

Here is an excerpt from the AP news story.....

"Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who spoke with the pilot, identified him as Scott Burke and praised him for the calm he showed during the flight.

"He joked that he was sorry he put the plane down 6 inches off the center line," Villaraigosa said."

Awesome!!

I knew Scott when we flew together at Brockway. Great guy. Smart, dedicated, a true profesional even way back then.