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All this information comes form press releases you can find on-line on Continental.com. The fleet numbers change often, but they do not change by much.
 
good numbers. left seat available within 2 years of date of hire. might be less with those numbers on the horizon.

as for the EWR-CLE RJ shift - that has been rumored for a long time. it's well known that the RJs in EWR are slot-holders. they fend off the competition and hold a slot available for larger mainline aircraft when the opportunity arises.

looks like that opportunity is now. mainline jets and largely turboprop feed back in EWR soon. throw the Dash-8s onto runway 11/29 as often as possible and keep the mainliners on 4/22. seems to make sense, but time will tell.
 
Captain Overs said:
You CAL guys are the most bitter ones I've ever seen. Why do you get so defensive on this board? Give it a rest already! Someone says something you don't like, and instead of engaging in an intelligent debate, you start by resorting to personal attacks.

Why the hostility?
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You need to read some of the other airline threads then. The "enthusiasm" from the forumites here isn't limited to CAL. Jmho.
 
CAL will receive 34 737-800/900er in 08. This is up from the 30 that was originally posted. Yes 10 737-500 are leaving with the possibility of 5 more. That is still 19 a/c more than this year.
 
Uuuuhhh....last time I checked, CAL is keeping the 762's for a while longer. The 787's, 777's, and 737's are pure growth with the exception of a few 733's leaving. With CAL's continued internal growth, I think you'll see even more growth than that. Just my worthless opinion.......
 
whatitdoing? said:
Uuuuhhh....last time I checked, CAL is keeping the 762's for a while longer. The 787's, 777's, and 737's are pure growth with the exception of a few 733's leaving. With CAL's continued internal growth, I think you'll see even more growth than that. Just my worthless opinion.......
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Well, we do have 15 500's going to Russia. The rumors on the 300 change so much from day to day that you just can't tell. Obviously, the 300 is getting a little old, and gets limited on some of the city pairs when a ng wouldn't. Eventually, they will go away, but I imagine they will be around for a while to support expansion. How long they stick around is anyone's guess.
 
Pilotbob3 said:
CAL Blows!!!!!
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Not true. We might suck, but we definetely don't blow. Now your mama is a different story. I heard she could blow Ronald Reagan's hair sideways from across the room during a Noreaster....
 
All old generation 737,MD, DC9, and any make turboprop must be retrofitted with RNAV RNP capable avionics by 2013 if they are to be used in the NGATS.

NGATS is a performance based National Air Transportation System verse the current equipment based NAS we currently operate in. Old Gen 737, MD's, DC9's, and all turboprops do not meet the RNAV RNP performance standards NGAT will require.

2013 is the FAA's launch date. And 2013 will hold as Europe's PNAV is already in effect and implementing new phases yearly. The FAA will keep pace with Europe since we are trying to adopt every other standard Europe is advocating.

Look to see all those airframes that are expected to be kept past 2013 get a new avionics suite. And those that are going to be dumped not get the new fancy gadgets.

The retirement/replace plans will become transparent by 2013 for sure. The next three years will see which aircraft are going to be kept long term and which will be dumped when the requirements to operate in the airspace go into effect. Till then just keep guessing.

Is AMR going to retrofit gas guslying MD's while they wait for the B737 replacement?

Is AMR going to update its B757 fleet? What about the B767's?

Is NWA going to fly the DC9 above FL290 into RVSM which they currently do not?

Is SWA going to keep its 300/500 fleet or start parking airplanes in the recession?

Is CAL going to keep its 300/500's and the B757/B767 fleet with new avionics or replace them with the new deliveries avoiding the avionics retrofits?

What about UAL's 73 300's, 75/76's? With no aircraft on order, UAL is sure to be the incredible shrinking fleet.

US Air and DAL?

Next Gen 737, A320, B777, B787, Q400's, EMB145's, and CRJ have the capabilities to be modified or already comply. Everything else is going to get new avionics or be dumped by design as required by NGAT.

The upcoming legacy and LCC mergers should remove much of the unusable capacity into the PERFORMANCE based requirements of the not to distant future. It is going to be a wild ride. Hold on!!!!
 
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Captain Overs said:
You CAL guys are the most bitter ones I've ever seen. Why do you get so defensive on this board? Give it a rest already! Someone says something you don't like, and instead of engaging in an intelligent debate, you start by resorting to personal attacks.

Why the hostility?
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Why the hostility? Are you kidding? You come on here and crap on every single Continental post with your insults, then take us to task?

Pot, meet Kettle.
 
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it there is all this growth you imply. how come the staffing numbers are the same or smaller than 5 years ago. interesting. yes they are getting all these airframes. but most of them are for replacement. from what i understand there is a staffing and training problem

how can cal train what is needed for these new a/c when they cannot staff what they have now. with less crews than they had last year

just curious
 
tie1on said:
it there is all this growth you imply. how come the staffing numbers are the same or smaller than 5 years ago. interesting. yes they are getting all these airframes. but most of them are for replacement. from what i understand there is a staffing and training problem

how can cal train what is needed for these new a/c when they cannot staff what they have now. with less crews than they had last year

just curious
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Most of us have been asking that same question for some time now. Even with the removal of 15 -500's, we should have a net gain of +18 aircraft next year. How will we staff them is anyone's guess. We anticipate hiring 500+ in the next 7-8 months.

As for the staffing being the same about five years ago, not true. We had 5100+ just before 9/11 and that had decreased to around 4200+ in 2004. We have 4900 for OCT 07. The retirements increased after 2004 and hit a peak in 2007 and are now slowly begining to decline. With the decline and the same hiring pattern there is a light at the end of the tunnel but CAL will NEVER be properly staffed.

Look for hiring to continue for the forseeable future. Even with age 65, we MUST continue to hire for attrition alone. Now, throw in growth in CLE, the reduction of RJ's in EWR and 737 growth in EWR, the LAX base, and hiring looks positive.

If there is a recession and $100 oil, who knows?
 
Furloughed80 said:
Regarding CLE. Here is an interview with Ricky Smith, the airport director at Hopkins.

http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.aspx?sid=74695&aid=43482

CAL's growth at CLE is long-term. At one point he says he expects CAL at CLE to be as large as NWA at DTW. I don't if that's true, but CLE will expand significantly. It will take time though.
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The guy doing the interview needs to hit the gym, after every question you can here him try to get his breath back.
 
Captain X said:
Mr. Smith better gets to layin' down some concrete then!
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Oh they are, problem is the runway layout is a terrible design, they can lay as much concrete as they want but the runways are on top of each, doesn't help much. The corrupt Mayor White had a part in this, although he may have been corrupt he did do a good job of attracting business unlike the
B!tch after him J. Cambell. She even wanted to ban tail gating at Browns games, didn't work!
 

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