the incredible shrinking airline CAL

[Pilotbob3]

CAL Blows!!!!!

 

[BID]

CAL Blows!!!!!

Just curious "Mr. Major Airline Pilot" who do you work for?

 

[Ex737Driver]

CAL Blows!!!!!

Not true. We might suck, but we definetely don't blow. Now your mama is a different story. I heard she could blow Ronald Reagan's hair sideways from across the room during a Noreaster....

 

[luckytohaveajob]

All old generation 737,MD, DC9, and any make turboprop must be retrofitted with RNAV RNP capable avionics by 2013 if they are to be used in the NGATS.

NGATS is a performance based National Air Transportation System verse the current equipment based NAS we currently operate in. Old Gen 737, MD's, DC9's, and all turboprops do not meet the RNAV RNP performance standards NGAT will require.

2013 is the FAA's launch date. And 2013 will hold as Europe's PNAV is already in effect and implementing new phases yearly. The FAA will keep pace with Europe since we are trying to adopt every other standard Europe is advocating.

Look to see all those airframes that are expected to be kept past 2013 get a new avionics suite. And those that are going to be dumped not get the new fancy gadgets.

The retirement/replace plans will become transparent by 2013 for sure. The next three years will see which aircraft are going to be kept long term and which will be dumped when the requirements to operate in the airspace go into effect. Till then just keep guessing.

Is AMR going to retrofit gas guslying MD's while they wait for the B737 replacement?

Is AMR going to update its B757 fleet? What about the B767's?

Is NWA going to fly the DC9 above FL290 into RVSM which they currently do not?

Is SWA going to keep its 300/500 fleet or start parking airplanes in the recession?

Is CAL going to keep its 300/500's and the B757/B767 fleet with new avionics or replace them with the new deliveries avoiding the avionics retrofits?

What about UAL's 73 300's, 75/76's? With no aircraft on order, UAL is sure to be the incredible shrinking fleet.

US Air and DAL?

Next Gen 737, A320, B777, B787, Q400's, EMB145's, and CRJ have the capabilities to be modified or already comply. Everything else is going to get new avionics or be dumped by design as required by NGAT.

The upcoming legacy and LCC mergers should remove much of the unusable capacity into the PERFORMANCE based requirements of the not to distant future. It is going to be a wild ride. Hold on!!!!

 

[ACWild]

CAL Blows!!!!!

Hey Bob, I think you accidentally drank some lav juice instead of the usual Blue Aid.
How've you been?

 

[LJDRVR]

You CAL guys are the most bitter ones I've ever seen. Why do you get so defensive on this board? Give it a rest already! Someone says something you don't like, and instead of engaging in an intelligent debate, you start by resorting to personal attacks.

Why the hostility?

Why the hostility? Are you kidding? You come on here and crap on every single Continental post with your insults, then take us to task?

Pot, meet Kettle.

 

[tie1on]

it there is all this growth you imply. how come the staffing numbers are the same or smaller than 5 years ago. interesting. yes they are getting all these airframes. but most of them are for replacement. from what i understand there is a staffing and training problem

how can cal train what is needed for these new a/c when they cannot staff what they have now. with less crews than they had last year

just curious

 

[Ex737Driver]

it there is all this growth you imply. how come the staffing numbers are the same or smaller than 5 years ago. interesting. yes they are getting all these airframes. but most of them are for replacement. from what i understand there is a staffing and training problem

how can cal train what is needed for these new a/c when they cannot staff what they have now. with less crews than they had last year

just curious

Most of us have been asking that same question for some time now. Even with the removal of 15 -500's, we should have a net gain of +18 aircraft next year. How will we staff them is anyone's guess. We anticipate hiring 500+ in the next 7-8 months.

As for the staffing being the same about five years ago, not true. We had 5100+ just before 9/11 and that had decreased to around 4200+ in 2004. We have 4900 for OCT 07. The retirements increased after 2004 and hit a peak in 2007 and are now slowly begining to decline. With the decline and the same hiring pattern there is a light at the end of the tunnel but CAL will NEVER be properly staffed.

Look for hiring to continue for the forseeable future. Even with age 65, we MUST continue to hire for attrition alone. Now, throw in growth in CLE, the reduction of RJ's in EWR and 737 growth in EWR, the LAX base, and hiring looks positive.

If there is a recession and $100 oil, who knows?

 

[samballs]

Regarding CLE. Here is an interview with Ricky Smith, the airport director at Hopkins.

http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.aspx?sid=74695&aid=43482

CAL's growth at CLE is long-term. At one point he says he expects CAL at CLE to be as large as NWA at DTW. I don't if that's true, but CLE will expand significantly. It will take time though.

The guy doing the interview needs to hit the gym, after every question you can here him try to get his breath back.

 

[samballs]

Mr. Smith better gets to layin' down some concrete then!

Oh they are, problem is the runway layout is a terrible design, they can lay as much concrete as they want but the runways are on top of each, doesn't help much. The corrupt Mayor White had a part in this, although he may have been corrupt he did do a good job of attracting business unlike the
B!tch after him J. Cambell. She even wanted to ban tail gating at Browns games, didn't work!

 

[thor2j]

All old generation 737,MD, DC9, and any make turboprop must be retrofitted with RNAV RNP capable avionics by 2013 if they are to be used in the NGATS.

NGATS is a performance based National Air Transportation System verse the current equipment based NAS we currently operate in. Old Gen 737, MD's, DC9's, and all turboprops do not meet the RNAV RNP performance standards NGAT will require.

2013 is the FAA's launch date. And 2013 will hold as Europe's PNAV is already in effect and implementing new phases yearly. The FAA will keep pace with Europe since we are trying to adopt every other standard Europe is advocating.

Look to see all those airframes that are expected to be kept past 2013 get a new avionics suite. And those that are going to be dumped not get the new fancy gadgets.

The retirement/replace plans will become transparent by 2013 for sure. The next three years will see which aircraft are going to be kept long term and which will be dumped when the requirements to operate in the airspace go into effect. Till then just keep guessing.

Is AMR going to retrofit gas guslying MD's while they wait for the B737 replacement?

Is AMR going to update its B757 fleet? What about the B767's?

Is NWA going to fly the DC9 above FL290 into RVSM which they currently do not?

Is SWA going to keep its 300/500 fleet or start parking airplanes in the recession?

Is CAL going to keep its 300/500's and the B757/B767 fleet with new avionics or replace them with the new deliveries avoiding the avionics retrofits?

What about UAL's 73 300's, 75/76's? With no aircraft on order, UAL is sure to be the incredible shrinking fleet.

US Air and DAL?

Next Gen 737, A320, B777, B787, Q400's, EMB145's, and CRJ have the capabilities to be modified or already comply. Everything else is going to get new avionics or be dumped by design as required by NGAT.

The upcoming legacy and LCC mergers should remove much of the unusable capacity into the PERFORMANCE based requirements of the not to distant future. It is going to be a wild ride. Hold on!!!!

To be honest I don't know what the rnp needs to be for this program you talk about for 2013. CALs 756 are already doing rnp approaches. The rnp is .15, how much tighter do you want the tollerances???

 

[densoo]

Regarding CLE only.

Crunch the route and aircraft statistics any way you want, but staffing tells the truth. CLE was over 600 pilots before 9/11, is under 300 now. The last system bid added 6 (yes, six) CA positions at the mainline in CLE. You can call +6 of less than 300 "growth" and be mathematically correct, but it would be completely misleading.

 

[ClubORD]

Regarding CLE only.

Crunch the route and aircraft statistics any way you want, but staffing tells the truth. CLE was over 600 pilots before 9/11, is under 300 now. The last system bid added 6 (yes, six) CA positions at the mainline in CLE. You can call +6 of less than 300 "growth" and be mathematically correct, but it would be completely misleading.

Initially the RJ's will be shifted over there from EWR thus creating the "growth" from CLE. However, when we start taking the 20+ 737NG's later next year, then the expansion will occur 2nd half of 08'. Wouldn't the next system bid be more reflective on the mainline growth out of CLE?

 

[§kyye Candy]

Well, well, Poc-a-holes boyfriend knows how to type.

LOL!

Flame bait!!

 

[flygirlqt]

CAL Blows!!!!!

Is that why we have numerous Blue pilots leaving to come here?

 

[densoo]

Initially the RJ's will be shifted over there from EWR thus creating the "growth" from CLE. However, when we start taking the 20+ 737NG's later next year, then the expansion will occur 2nd half of 08'. Wouldn't the next system bid be more reflective on the mainline growth out of CLE?

Yes it would. And, we'll see in February.

PS: "RJ creating growth" is a snow job. CLE went from 600 pilots to 250 while RJs grew. 276 Embraers later, few routes have returned to the mainline. Expressjet pilots and operation should have been brought into the mainline operation in '97, '00, and '02. Mainline pilots (all voltage but no amps) would have none of it, and paid the price.

 

[Auburn_CFI]

Is NWA going to fly the DC9 above FL290 into RVSM which they currently do not?

Since when? As of today they are RVSM capable and flying about FL290 in RVSM airspace. I am not sure where you came up with your list of what if's but it is full of inaccuracies.