The glory days are over - What do you think?

[Metro752]

...........I'm left with the distinct impression that you do not read much at all.

I sure don't read AOPA after they couldn't save Meigs Field, but I sure do read plenty, and pardon me if my grammar and spelling leaves you with the impression I dun't reeed much, cuz u no dis is a massage bored! I didn't know i wuz bein grayded...

The point is .......... Personally I don't care what you think of him ......... Some of his stuff I've enjoyed, other I have not. Makes no difference to me what you think. ......... The point is that this guy, with a lifetime of experience in the airline business wrote an article which contains a great deal of truth and echos the sentiments or a great many people in the industry. Yet you dismiss it as being completely inaccurate, and make some infantile and misinformed comments about him being "jealous" of the new technology. OUt of what orifice did you pull that?

I don't expect you to care about what I think, thats why I used the word OPINION. I am not interested in some retired guy whining about all the problems today, preaching gloom and doom. If I want to hear some old guy whine about modern times, I have my own father to listen to (yes I ended the sentence with a preposition )

Finally, I have no "beef" with you, and no beef with Barry Schiff. I just wanted to comment .......

I think Barry Schiff is an unhappy old man, and what he really means is, HIS GLORY DAYS are over.

This forum highlights a lot of the negative things, and a good deal of it is exagerated. Glory Days are over. Ha!

What, does this old grump expect all of us to walk around unhappy? He's mad he never got to play with all the cool new technology, and just hears about it now.

...... That I am tired of hearing and reading about all the gloom and doom and whining. This is like any other internet message board, people post their opinions, they usually mean nothing, like mine, and then others make their opinions known.

Please don't take this as a personal attack A Squared, I do bow out to you in terms of knowledge in regards to professional aviation. Hell I'd bow out to most people who post here.

 

[pilotyip]

Right on Metro, you are singing my tune. I am teaching my grandson to fly and he elects to pursue a professional flying career like his father and grandfather, I will be most supportive and also recommend he not go to college full-time. I still feel this is a fantastic career. I work with too many people who love what they do. Perhaps that is because for many of them it is a second career and thy have something to compare it to

 

[FN FAL]

The "glory days" are over because you can't lift your pinkey while lifting a cup of tea and telling your relatives or friends that you fly a jet airliner...boo hoo.

Regional jet airlines have proven that even a monkey can fly an airplane.

Whatever.

 

[Skyline]

Love of the job

The only time a chicken de-boner got killed was on the drive to/from work or when a co-worker came back to work with a shotgun after getting fired. How many pilots do you know came back to work with a shotgun after getting fired? None? Well, there you have it, chicken de-boners love their jobs more than pilots.

I wouldn't say that pilots love their jobs as much as they love the dream of the job.

SKyHigh

 

[Princedietrich]

Actually the chicken de-boner can afford shells for the shotgun, a pilot would use that money to get a few meager calories into his starving gullet.

Also, those guys back in the days of the DC3 and the Convairs probably were doing it for the same wage as the kids (yes, I used the word KIDS because that's what they are) in the RJs. But let's face it, 19k a year back in the 60s was a frekin fortune.

The entire aviation industry is pretty much a joke, and not a very funny one. Pilot are literally worked to death, either through burnout and physiological collapse from the long exhausting hours, or through a fatal crash because the half-arsed management of the airlines won't pay up for decent training and maintenance. It makes me wonder why I'm still in this industry.

Frankly, I want out. I'm working on my education to get out too.

 

[pilotyip]

Bye Bye Prince don't let the door hit you in the butt

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How many pilots do you know came back to work with a shotgun after getting fired? None? Well, there you have it, chicken de-boners love their jobs more than pilots.

How about a spear gun and a hammer?

 

[wrxpilot]

Right on Metro, you are singing my tune. I am teaching my grandson to fly and he elects to pursue a professional flying career like his father and grandfather, I will be most supportive and also recommend he not go to college full-time. I still feel this is a fantastic career. I work with too many people who love what they do. Perhaps that is because for many of them it is a second career and thy have something to compare it to

Actually, I think there's a large percentage of people here that have never worked a job outside of aviation. I often find it so funny how so many pilots here speak of these *grand jobs* outside of aviation just ripe for the picking. Be an Engineer and buy your own plane! The money is in nursing! Real estate is the way to go, my neighbor says so!!

A reality check is necessary. I work in the engineering field, and it sucks. It is a stable job with security, but it is not high paying (I make $60k/yr with 5 yrs experience, expect about 3-5% increase/year), and it is EXTREMELY boring. I've worked jobs from aerospace to power to accident reconstruction. There are some nice parts, but most of the time you're dealing with boring crap.

Now, there are some people out there that don't mind working up the ladder to management (and ok pay, around $100k/yr) and working 60/wk, taking work home, checking voice mails and emails on vacation, etc. Every so often they get a saturday or sunday to work on the lawn and play some golf, and they seem happy (outwardly, anyway).

Oddly enough many pilots here think the professional world involves a 2 hr lunch everyday, a 30 hr work week, and $200k/yr. I don't know where they get this crap, it is as bad as the BS you hear coming out of the big FL schools regarding flying for the airlines.

Do what makes you happy, whatever it is. Those are the only people satisfied in life from what I can tell. Chasing money will only disappoint.

 

[wrxpilot]

Double post - ignore

 

[FN FAL]

How about a spear gun and a hammer?

I forgot about that one.

:beer:

 

[pilotyip]

Wrx stop dealing in reality, this is a pilot board and it does not fit here.

 

[FN FAL]

Actually, I think there's a large percentage of people here that have never worked a job outside of aviation. I often find it so funny how so many pilots here speak of these *grand jobs* outside of aviation just ripe for the picking. Be an Engineer and buy your own plane! The money is in nursing! Real estate is the way to go, my neighbor says so!!

A reality check is necessary. I work in the engineering field, and it sucks. It is a stable job with security, but it is not high paying (I make $60k/yr with 5 yrs experience, expect about 3-5% increase/year), and it is EXTREMELY boring. I've worked jobs from aerospace to power to accident reconstruction. There are some nice parts, but most of the time you're dealing with boring crap.

Now, there are some people out there that don't mind working up the ladder to management (and ok pay, around $100k/yr) and working 60/wk, taking work home, checking voice mails and emails on vacation, etc. Every so often they get a saturday or sunday to work on the lawn and play some golf, and they seem happy (outwardly, anyway).

Oddly enough many pilots here think the professional world involves a 2 hr lunch everyday, a 30 hr work week, and $200k/yr. I don't know where they get this crap, it is as bad as the BS you hear coming out of the big FL schools regarding flying for the airlines.

Do what makes you happy, whatever it is. Those are the only people satisfied in life from what I can tell. Chasing money will only disappoint.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

One thing's for sure, you work your fingers to the bone and then you get boney fingers.

 

[PurpleInMEM]

Actually, I think there's a large percentage of people here that have never worked a job outside of aviation. I often find it so funny how so many pilots here speak of these *grand jobs* outside of aviation just ripe for the picking. Be an Engineer and buy your own plane! The money is in nursing! Real estate is the way to go, my neighbor says so!!

A reality check is necessary. I work in the engineering field, and it sucks. It is a stable job with security, but it is not high paying (I make $60k/yr with 5 yrs experience, expect about 3-5% increase/year), and it is EXTREMELY boring. I've worked jobs from aerospace to power to accident reconstruction. There are some nice parts, but most of the time you're dealing with boring crap.

Now, there are some people out there that don't mind working up the ladder to management (and ok pay, around $100k/yr) and working 60/wk, taking work home, checking voice mails and emails on vacation, etc. Every so often they get a saturday or sunday to work on the lawn and play some golf, and they seem happy (outwardly, anyway).

Oddly enough many pilots here think the professional world involves a 2 hr lunch everyday, a 30 hr work week, and $200k/yr. I don't know where they get this crap, it is as bad as the BS you hear coming out of the big FL schools regarding flying for the airlines.

Do what makes you happy, whatever it is. Those are the only people satisfied in life from what I can tell. Chasing money will only disappoint.

Sounds great, except what makes me happy is to be not working. I do this because it's the only thing I know how to do. I don't have the skills to do anything else nor the inclination to learn. Flying is work, nothing more. Certainly no reason to glorify what we do. It isn't fun and it isn't really worth it, whether the money is good or not. Gone all the time, missing things at home, broke airplanes, bad hotels, etc. I have yet to find the upside to this flying game, except those rare occasions when I get bumped from trips or the trip cancels.

I need to find me a sugar momma where my most productive act would be reading the morning paper, but even that sounds like work.

 

[pilotyip]

purpleinMEM, too bad you don't like to fly, other wise you would be the envy of this board, top job in the industry, and doing something you love. I guess I am better off than you, I can't wait to go to work in the morning, and I get paid to do it. BTW you are also lucky because according to Capt Mark you guys only work live flight time about 250 hrs per year. You could quit?

 

[JohnDoe]

quote:
"Oddly enough many pilots here think the professional world involves a 2 hr lunch everyday, a 30 hr work week, and $200k/yr. I don't know where they get this crap, it is as bad as the BS you hear coming out of the big FL schools regarding flying for the airlines."


Gotta call BS on this one. I have yet to see anybody here say anything close to that.